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#26 Post by franktangredi » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:34 am

Okay, it seems I may have written some inadequate clues this time. I'm rusty. Comments below. I will only comment on definite answers where either the answer or the clue was wrong. Most of the answers with question marks are right, but some aren't.

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Game #115: False Starts

Identify the 80 people indicated in the clues below. Match them up into 28 triples according to a Tangredi, or principle you must discover for yourself. Four names will be used twice, each in two different capacities.

In honor of last month’s holiday, five of the people in the clues below were residents of the White House at one time or another.

1. Although not usually associated with the “winning of the West,” this President signed into law the bill that eventually led to the creation of 1.6 million homesteads. ABRAHAM LINCOLN

2. Arguably the most influential architect of the twentieth century, he headed the committee that designed the UN Headquarters in Manhattan.
WALLACE HARRISON
If this is definitely right, than my clues is definitely wrong. I don't know how to fix the clue adequately, and somebody already mentioned the guy I had in mind, so I'll just tell you I want LE CORBUSIER
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3. He was the first of three players, and two quarterbacks, from his team to be named MVP of the Super Bowl.
This sounds like JOE MONTANA. Montana, Rice, and Young won Super Bowl MVP trophies. But also PHIL SIMMS works.
Okay, I went back and saw where I went wrong here. I only looked at those teams that were listed as having three MVPs, not taking into account that one person won three of them himself for the same team. Sorry.
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4. This author’s masterpiece is one of the leading candidates for the title of Great American Novel, but he lost the Pulitzer Prize to Edna Ferber.
F SCOTT FITZGERALD (for The Great Gatsby)? SINCLAIR LEWIS?

5. This empiricist philosopher opined, “All the choir of heaven and furniture of earth - in a word, all those bodies which compose the frame of the world - have not any subsistence without a mind.”
GEORGE BERKELEY

6. DJMQ
Among the many roles created by this prima ballerina was the eponymous water nymph in Frederick Ashton’s “Undine.”
MARIE TAGLIONI? ANNA PAVLOVA? MARGOT FONTEYN?

7. In 1881, this physician first proposed the theory that yellow fever was carried by a mosquito.
CARLOS FINLAY

8. In his penultimate film – 47 years before his death – he played his own nephew. (Well, sorta.)

9. This pioneer of American finance brought the middle class into the stock market – and the supermarket.

10. One of the giants of the struggle for African American civil rights, he died at the age of 93 just one day before the March of Washington.
WEB DUBOIS

11. He is far from the only rock musician to be nominated for an Oscar … but he is the only to be also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.
BONO (or maybe BOB GELDOF)

12. His businesslike approach to crime earned him a place on Time magazine’s list of Builders and Shapers of the twentieth century.
LUCKY LUCIANO? AL CAPONE? MEYER LANSKY?

13. This general was mortally wounded on the Plains of Abraham while attempting to defend Quebec against the British.
LOUIS JOSEPH DE MONTCALM

14. She chaired the commission that drafted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
ELEANOR ROOSEVELT

15. He got his current job on April 19, 2005 – only seventeen days after the post became vacant.
POPE BENEDICT XVI

16. A familiar face on American television, he placed #33 on a BBC poll of “100 Worst Britons We Love to Hate."
SIMON COWELL

17. This amateur detective solved murders that took place on a moving train, at a resort in the tropics, during a game of Murder, and in the local minister’s study.
JANE MARPLE

18. This popular writer’s best-known characters included a South Sea island prostitute and a club-footed doctor.
SOMERSET MAUGHAM

19. On August 6, 1926, she gained instant fame by doing something only five men had done before – and doing it faster than any of them.
GERTRUDE EDERLE

20. Though they never received individual Pulitzers, these journalists helped their paper win the prize for Public Service in 1973.
CARL BERNSTEIN and BOB WOODWARD

21. In consecutive years, this television star won an award for playing a real-life athlete and lost an award for playing a real-life aviator.
SUSAN CLARK

22. This former dentist changed the world of medicine with his 1846 demonstration of a substance he called "letheon."
WILLIAM MORTON

23. “A designer,” he said, “is an emerging synthesis of artist, inventor, mechanic, objective economist and evolutionary strategist.” (And he knew whereof he spoke.)
R. BUCKMINSTER FULLER?

24. She was already an established country music star when she recorded her signature tune and biggest pop hit – penned by a relative newcomer named Willie Nelson.
PATSY CLINE

25. During his four-year tenure as U.S. Army Chief of Staff, this general strongly advocated full military mobilization in Vietnam, and almost resigned in protest over LBJ’s failure to do so.
WILLIAM WESTMORELAND? MAXWELL TAYLOR?
The correct answer for this was given by somebody early on, and disappeared.
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26. By the time he started his own aircraft company in 1962, this inventor and entrepreneur already held more than 100 patents for aircraft communication and navigational devices.
WILLIAM LEAR

27. A member of the committee that drafted the Declaration of Independence, this colonial leader also signed the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution.
ROGER SHERMAN

28. When this feisty environmentalist died at the age of 108, her ashes were scattered over the Everglades.
MARJORY DOUGLAS

29. This French chef’s work at the Fleur de Lys restaurant in San Francisco won him a citation as the best chef in California.
HUBERT KELLER?

30. This trailblazing fur trader’s 1826-1827 expedition took him from the Great Salt Lake to the San Joaquin Valley and back across the Sierra Nevadas.
JIM BRIDGER
No.
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31. Covering all bases, this Anglican divine followed up his popular treatise on Holy Living with an even more popular guide to Holy Dying.
JEREMY TAYLOR

32. Explaining why he decided not to fire this long-time civil servant, Lyndon Johnson reportedly said, “I’d rather have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.”
J EDGAR HOOVER

33. One of his best poems ends with the memorable couplet, “It is the blight man was born for,/It is Margaret you mourn for.”
GERARD MANLEY HOPKINS

34. He is the only native-born Parisian in the Basketball Hall of Fame.
DOMINIQUE WILKINS

35. This Nobel-winning English physicist is best known for discovering the neutron.
JAMES CHADWICK

36. In the 40th year of his movie career, he directed three actresses who were in the 56th, 60th, and 75th years of theirs.
LINDSAY ANDERSON

37. This composer based one of his greatest piano sonatas on the writings of Ralph Waldo Emerson, the Alcotts, and other New England sages.
CHARLES IVES

38. “He kept a shop in London town/Of fancy clients and good renown.”
SWEENEY TODD

39. This journalist wasn’t so popular with the Nixon administration while he was working for Jack Anderson, but his work with Fox News has made him much more palatable to the Bush administration.
BRIT HUME

40. This President won a plurality of the popular vote – but not of the electoral vote – in three consecutive elections.
GROVER CLEVELAND

41. This educational reformer was also one of the architects of the philosophy of Pragmatism.
JOHN DEWEY

42. President of a major union for forty years, he founded an even larger labor organization in 1935
JOHN LEWIS?

43. This general was the only graduate of the Virginia Military Institute to win the Nobel Peace Prize.
GEORGE MARSHALL

44. One of the greatest American fashion designers, he first won fame for what he put on top of a First Lady’s head.
OLEG CASSINI
Right First Lady, but wrong designer.
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45. This artist helped define the image of the Roaring Twenties with his magazine covers depicting short-skirted flappers and college boys with slicked-back hair.
JOHN HELD, JR.

46. A specialist in reproductive biology, this physician launched the study for which he is best known at Washington University in 1954.
GREGORY PINCUS?

47. This English author’s writing career began in the 1890s when she sent a sick child a series of illustrated animal stories.
BEATRIX POTTER

48. Arguably the greatest American movie actor never nominated for an Oscar, he died shortly after learning that he had been voted a Lifetime Achievement award. (The Oscar was accepted by his widow.)
EDWARD G ROBINSON

49. This tennis great accumulated 31 Grand Slam titles – including four singles titles at the French championships, seven at the U.S championships, and eight at Wimbledon – as well as Olympic gold medals for both singles and doubles.
MARTINA NAVRATILOVA
Somebody is selling Martina way short here.
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50. This English explorer was the first European to reach the Lake Victoria, which he argued – but never proved – was the source of the Nile.
JOHN SPEKE

51. This composer and bandleader – who always refused to pigeonhole himself as a “jazz” artist – adapted both Tchaikovsky and Grieg to the American idiom.
EDWARD K. "DUKE" ELLINGTON

52. This Utah native …
BUTCH CASSIDY (Robert LeRoy Parker)

53. … and this Pennsylvanian perpetrated the longest series of successful bank robberies in the history of the Old West.
THE SUNDANCE KID (Harry Alonzo Longabaugh)

54. This monarch called smoking “a custom loathsome to the eye, hateful to the nose, harmful to the brain, dangerous to the lungs, and in the stinking fume thereof resembling the horrible Stygian smoke of the pit that is bottomless."
JAMES I STUART

55. Only three years after his conversion, he became one of the original Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, and quickly rose to full leadership the Church.
BRIGHAM YOUNG

56. Longtime head of one of the nation’s most successful corporations, he is credited with introducing annual style changes – and thereby planned obsolescence – to the auto industry.
ALFRED SLOAN

57. Inspired by the work of Jane Addams, this reformer’s efforts on behalf of slum dwellers and striking workers earned her the soubriquet “Angel of the Stockyards.”
MARY MCDOWELL

58. Not only were this baseball great and a National Leaguer who played the same position each named MVP three times – they both received their first and third citations the same year. Got that?
YOGI BERRA

59. This Union general’s steadfast determination in battle earned him the nickname “The Rock of Chickamauga.”
GEORGE THOMAS

60. On March 7, 1876, this inventor was granted Patent No. 174,465 – arguably the most valuable U.S. patent ever issued – by a nose.
ALEXANDER GRAHAM BELL

61. The first of his four novels won him the most acclaim; the title of his posthumously-published last novel became a timeless aphorism.

THOMAS WOLFE?

62. Though best known for a far different type of Broadway entertainment, he also produced what is generally considered the most influential musical of the pre-Okalahoma era.
GEORGE M COHAN? FLORENZ ZIEGFELD?

63. An acknowledged influence on Tolstoy and Gandhi, this philosopher was also hailed by Emma Goldman as “the greatest American anarchist.”
HENRY DAVID THOREAU?

64. In 1934, this radio announcer broadcast the first major league baseball game he had ever attended; he like it so much, he kept doing play-by-plays for 33 years.
RED BARBER?

65. This soprano made her La Scala debut in 1946 under the direction of Toscanini, who declared that she had “the voice of an angel.”
MARIA CALLAS?

66. The member of the Ashcan School started out as a newspaper illustrator, but became better known for realistic paintings of ordinary life, such as The Rag Picker and Hester Street.
GEORGE LUKS

67. This First Lady predeceased her husband by ten months to the day.
PAT NIXON?

68. This astronaut was the second American to orbit the Earth.
SCOTT CARPENTER

69. An early advocate of scientific experimentation, this medieval philosopher once startled a classroom by creating an artificial rainbow.
ROGER BACON

70. The wedding of this mismatched pair was presided over by a real turkey.

71. This Canadian-born entrepreneur opened the first of what became a chain of famous establishments on New York’s Fifth Avenue in 1907.

72. This jurist took a leave of absence from the Supreme Court in order to prosecute some of the worst criminals of all time.
ROBER JACKSON

73. This Victorian cleric helped shape the modern concept of a “liberal education.”

74. This general, who learned to fly from the Wright Brothers, earned his fifth star as a result of his leadership during World War II.
HAP ARNOLD?

75. This controversial poet and novelist evolved an African American aesthetic which he provocatively dubbed “Neo Hoo-Doo.”
ISHMAEL REED?

76. His real-life movie roles included an explorer, an athlete, a doctor, a western lawman, and a couple of soldiers.
GARY COOPER?

77. Although he won his Nobel Prize for chemistry, he claimed that “in science, there is only physics; all the rest is stamp collecting.”
ERNEST RUTHERFORD

78. Once a pin boy in his father’s St. Louis bowling center, this future PBA Hall of Famer won the first of his 17 titles at the age of 22.
DICK WEBER? DON CARTER?

79. He is a double inductee into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame –as a solo artist and as a member of a group whose membership included two other double inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame – and has hit Number One on the pop charts in duets with one single inductee into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and one double inductee into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Got that?
PAUL MCCARTNEY

80. In two consecutive elections, this President defeated two future Chief Justices.
WOODROW WILSON

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#27 Post by Weyoun » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:20 am

3. He was the first of three players, and two quarterbacks, from his team to be named MVP of the Super Bowl.

Frank's comment suggests that he wants PHIL SIMMS.

6. DJMQ
Among the many roles created by this prima ballerina was the eponymous water nymph in Frederick Ashton’s “Undine.”
MARGOT FONTEYN

Not 100% it is Fonteyn, but it is not the other ones listed.

25. During his four-year tenure as U.S. Army Chief of Staff, this general strongly advocated full military mobilization in Vietnam, and almost resigned in protest over LBJ’s failure to do so.

Then it could be CURTIS LEMAY or HAROLD JOHNSON. Actually, it would have to be Johnson, as Lemay was Air Force, and had quit by 1968 to run with George Wallace anyway.

30. This trailblazing fur trader’s 1826-1827 expedition took him from the Great Salt Lake to the San Joaquin Valley and back across the Sierra Nevadas.

If not Bridger, what about the person who inspired Jedediah Springfield - namely, JEDEDIAH SMITH?

44. One of the greatest American fashion designers, he first won fame for what he put on top of a First Lady’s head.

Then maybe HALSTON?

49. This tennis great accumulated 31 Grand Slam titles – including four singles titles at the French championships, seven at the U.S championships, and eight at Wimbledon – as well as Olympic gold medals for both singles and doubles.

Then either HELEN WILLS MOODY or MARGARET SMITH/COURT?

61. The first of his four novels won him the most acclaim; the title of his posthumously-published last novel became a timeless aphorism.
THOMAS WOLFE?

I will confirm this, as I know "You Can't Go Home Again" was posthumous.

I don't have any idea on the Tangredi. Why is George Luks there? Anagrammed... he becomes... "skul." I notice, in the spirit of "false starts," that some first names aren't first names - it is really "Anna" Eleanor Roosevelt, for example, and Pat Nixon is really Thelma.

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#28 Post by mellytu74 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:37 am

#44 -- Halston started out as a hat designer for Lily Dache, so I bet it is him.

#62 is almost certainly Florenz Ziegfeld, who produced Show Boat, which could certainly be called the most influential pre-Oklahoma musical.

#76 - Gary Cooper played Marco Polo, Lou Gehrig, Dr. Wassail, Wild Bill Hickock, Billy Mitchell & Sgt. York. so the clue fits. I think we can take the ? away.

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#29 Post by NellyLunatic1980 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:39 am

Yes, #49 is Helen Wills Moody. Margaret Court Smith won twice as many titles and never won an Olympic medal.

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#30 Post by smilergrogan » Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:02 pm

Still thinking!

ISHMAEL REED can make AMISH EDERLE. Are any of the answers Amish? (I don't see that going anywhere though)

I am intrigued by Frank's comment that a lot of people will think they have this one before they actually do - I don't see anything that looks like a red herring. If he hadn't said that, I would think the title means we have to use altermative first names or change some letters at the beginnings of names.

There are two answers that are more than one person: #20 and #70. To me, this makes it less likely that those answers are there for the names themselves (to be anagrammed, for example) and more likely that they are there for some descriptor of the people like their professions. (And by the way, for #20 couldn't Ben Bradlee be included as a journalist who helped his paper win a public service award?)

For #78, none of the three St. Louis bowlers I've heard of seem to fit. Both Webers won more than 17 PBA titles, and Don Carter was in his 30s before PBA titles even existed (unless there is some other kind of bowling title). Anyway, his biography says that even though he worked as a pinsetter, it was not for his father since his father abandoned the family when Carter was very young. The only other pro bowlers I know of are Earl Anthony and Mark Roth, and neither is from St. Louis.

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#31 Post by Weyoun » Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:36 pm

Might the investor/grocery man be CHARLES MERRILL? I believe he ran Safeway at one time, and the owner of the San Francisco Giants got his money from his Merrill/Safeway connections.

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#32 Post by Weyoun » Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:57 pm

70. The wedding of this mismatched pair was presided over by a real turkey.

Were the OWL and the PUSSYCAT married by a turkey?

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#33 Post by mrkelley23 » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:17 pm

The OWL AND THE PUSSYCAT were indeed married by a turkey, and Edward Lear wrote the poem, and we have a Lear on the list. But that almost seems too obvious -- like a "false start," as it were.
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#34 Post by NellyLunatic1980 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:24 am

Hmmm... we seem to be at an impasse on the rest of these.

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#35 Post by smilergrogan » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:42 pm

Here's where it stands, with some real names added and clues removed for confirmed answers. Still got nothing, but still thinking.

Game #115: False Starts

Identify the 80 people indicated in the clues below. Match them up into 28 triples according to a Tangredi, or principle you must discover for yourself. Four names will be used twice, each in two different capacities.

In honor of last month’s holiday, five of the people in the clues below were residents of the White House at one time or another.

1. ABRAHAM LINCOLN
2. LE CORBUSIER (Charles-Edouard Jeanneret-Gris)
3. PHIL SIMMS
4. This author’s masterpiece is one of the leading candidates for the title of Great American Novel, but he lost the Pulitzer Prize to Edna Ferber.
F. (Francis) SCOTT (Key) FITZGERALD (for The Great Gatsby)? SINCLAIR LEWIS?
5. GEORGE BERKELEY
6. Among the many roles created by this prima ballerina was the eponymous water nymph in Frederick Ashton’s “Undine.”
MARGOT FONTEYN?
7. CARLOS FINLAY
8. In his penultimate film – 47 years before his death – he played his own nephew. (Well, sorta.)
9. This pioneer of American finance brought the middle class into the stock market – and the supermarket.
CHARLES MERRILL?
10. W.E.B. (William Edward Burghardt) DU BOIS
11. BONO (Paul David Hewson)
12. His businesslike approach to crime earned him a place on Time magazine’s list of Builders and Shapers of the twentieth century.
LUCKY LUCIANO? AL CAPONE? MEYER LANSKY?
13. LOUIS JOSEPH DE MONTCALM
14. ELEANOR ROOSEVELT
15. POPE BENEDICT XVI (Joseph Ratziger)
16. SIMON COWELL
17. JANE MARPLE
18. W. (William) SOMERSET MAUGHAM
19. GERTRUDE EDERLE
20. CARL BERNSTEIN and BOB WOODWARD
21. SUSAN CLARK
22. WILLIAM MORTON
23. “A designer,” he said, “is an emerging synthesis of artist, inventor, mechanic, objective economist and evolutionary strategist.” (And he knew whereof he spoke.)
R. (Richard) BUCKMINSTER FULLER?
24. PATSY CLINE
25. HAROLD JOHNSON
26. WILLIAM LEAR
27. ROGER SHERMAN
28. MARJORY DOUGLAS
29. This French chef’s work at the Fleur de Lys restaurant in San Francisco won him a citation as the best chef in California.
HUBERT KELLER?
30. This trailblazing fur trader’s 1826-1827 expedition took him from the Great Salt Lake to the San Joaquin Valley and back across the Sierra Nevadas.
JEDEDIAH SMITH?
31. JEREMY TAYLOR
32. J. (John) EDGAR HOOVER
33. GERARD MANLEY HOPKINS
34. DOMINIQUE WILKINS
35. JAMES CHADWICK
36. LINDSAY ANDERSON
37. CHARLES IVES
38. SWEENEY TODD
39. BRIT HUME
40. GROVER CLEVELAND
41. JOHN DEWEY
42. President of a major union for forty years, he founded an even larger labor organization in 1935
JOHN LEWIS?
43. GEORGE MARSHALL
44. One of the greatest American fashion designers, he first won fame for what he put on top of a First Lady’s head.
HALSTON? (Roy Halston Frowick)
45. JOHN HELD, JR.
46. A specialist in reproductive biology, this physician launched the study for which he is best known at Washington University in 1954.
GREGORY PINCUS?
47. BEATRIX POTTER
48. EDWARD G ROBINSON
49. HELEN WILLS MOODY
50. JOHN SPEKE
51. EDWARD K. "DUKE" ELLINGTON
52. BUTCH CASSIDY (Robert LeRoy Parker)
53. THE SUNDANCE KID (Harry Alonzo Longabaugh)
54. JAMES I STUART
55. BRIGHAM YOUNG
56. ALFRED P. SLOAN
57. MARY MCDOWELL
58. YOGI BERRA
59. GEORGE "PAP" THOMAS
60. ALEXANDER GRAHAM BELL
61. THOMAS WOLFE
62. Though best known for a far different type of Broadway entertainment, he also produced what is generally considered the most influential musical of the pre-Okalahoma era.
FLORENZ ZIEGFELD?
63. An acknowledged influence on Tolstoy and Gandhi, this philosopher was also hailed by Emma Goldman as “the greatest American anarchist.”
HENRY DAVID THOREAU?
64. In 1934, this radio announcer broadcast the first major league baseball game he had ever attended; he like it so much, he kept doing play-by-plays for 33 years.
RED (Walter Lanier) BARBER?
65. This soprano made her La Scala debut in 1946 under the direction of Toscanini, who declared that she had “the voice of an angel.”
MARIA CALLAS?
66. GEORGE LUKS
67. PAT (Thelma) NIXON
68. SCOTT CARPENTER
69. ROGER BACON
70. The wedding of this mismatched pair was presided over by a real turkey.
THE OWL AND THE PUSSYCAT?
71. This Canadian-born entrepreneur opened the first of what became a chain of famous establishments on New York’s Fifth Avenue in 1907.
72. ROBERT JACKSON
73. This Victorian cleric helped shape the modern concept of a “liberal education.”
74. This general, who learned to fly from the Wright Brothers, earned his fifth star as a result of his leadership during World War II.
HAP (Henry Harley) ARNOLD?
75. This controversial poet and novelist evolved an African American aesthetic which he provocatively dubbed “Neo Hoo-Doo.”
ISHMAEL REED?
76. GARY (Frank James) COOPER
77. ERNEST RUTHERFORD
78. Once a pin boy in his father’s St. Louis bowling center, this future PBA Hall of Famer won the first of his 17 titles at the age of 22.
DICK WEBER? DON CARTER?
79. PAUL MCCARTNEY
80. WOODROW WILSON

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#36 Post by tanstaafl2 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:10 pm

78. Once a pin boy in his father’s St. Louis bowling center, this future PBA Hall of Famer won the first of his 17 titles at the age of 22.
DICK WEBER? DON CARTER?
Sometimes being a member of a bowling league has added benefits. I occasionally watch bowling on the tube over the years and thought I knew this one. Checked to be sure I was correct so this is Nelson "Bo" Burton, who I know better as a bowling commentator. In any case a quick check confirms the St Louis background.
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#37 Post by smilergrogan » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:45 pm

tanstaafl2 wrote:
78. Once a pin boy in his father’s St. Louis bowling center, this future PBA Hall of Famer won the first of his 17 titles at the age of 22.
DICK WEBER? DON CARTER?
Sometimes being a member of a bowling league has added benefits. I occasionally watch bowling on the tube over the years and thought I knew this one. Checked to be sure I was correct so this is Nelson "Bo" Burton, who I know better as a bowling commentator. In any case a quick check confirms the St Louis background.

Ok, so that gives us a BURTON and a SPEKE - there was a book called Burton and Speke.

We also have MONTCALM and a WOLFE - Francis Parkman wrote a book called Montcalm and Wolfe. We have FRANCIS Scott Fitzgerald, maybe.

We have a LEWIS (maybe, if F. Scott is wrong) and a CLARK.

We have LINCOLN and a DOUGLAS.

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#38 Post by plasticene » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:34 pm

smilergrogan wrote: Ok, so that gives us a BURTON and a SPEKE - there was a book called Burton and Speke.

We also have MONTCALM and a WOLFE - Francis Parkman wrote a book called Montcalm and Wolfe. We have FRANCIS Scott Fitzgerald, maybe.

We have a LEWIS (maybe, if F. Scott is wrong) and a CLARK.

We have LINCOLN and a DOUGLAS.
It seems that Beatrice from Much Ado About Nothing may have been called Beatrix in some versions. There is also apparently an opera by Berlioz, Béatrice et Bénédict, that is sometimes rendered in English as BEATRIX AND BENEDICT (#47 & #15).

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#39 Post by NellyLunatic1980 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:33 am

I see lots of pairs, but Frank is looking for triplets.

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#40 Post by franktangredi » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:32 am

NellyLunatic1980 wrote:I see lots of pairs, but Frank is looking for triplets.
Collectively, everything needed to solve this puzzle has been said.

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#41 Post by NellyLunatic1980 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:06 pm

Now that I think about it, "Burton and Speke" was written by William Harrison. We haven't uncovered a Harrison yet, although there are plenty of Williams.

And this, my friends, is my 1,000th post on the Raspberry Bored®. :D

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#42 Post by NellyLunatic1980 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:23 pm

There was also a book called "GERTRUDE Stein, WILLIAM Cook, and LE CORBUSIER"....

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#43 Post by Weyoun » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:30 pm

Though these suggestions fit, somehow they don't seem right to me. My guess is that a lot of the answers would require us to Google. (Who knows that many nonfiction booktitles off the top of their head?) My thought is that it must somehow be more generic - we have a SPEKE, so of course we have a BURTON. I will have time later today so I will sit down and look at it.

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#44 Post by silvercamaro » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:38 pm

franktangredi wrote:6. DJMQ
Among the many roles created by this prima ballerina was the eponymous water nymph in Frederick Ashton’s “Undine.”
This is MARGOT FONTEYN. Take away the question mark. I promise.

Also, just in case this factors into the Tangredi, Ashton changed the name of "Undine" to "Ondine." I haven't looked at enough of the clues to see if name changes might be important. Also, it was Ashton's last ballet, just in case "last" or "final" plays a role in solving the puzzle.

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#45 Post by Weyoun » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:27 pm

silvercamaro wrote:
franktangredi wrote:6. DJMQ
Among the many roles created by this prima ballerina was the eponymous water nymph in Frederick Ashton’s “Undine.”
This is MARGOT FONTEYN. Take away the question mark. I promise.

Also, just in case this factors into the Tangredi, Ashton changed the name of "Undine" to "Ondine." I haven't looked at enough of the clues to see if name changes might be important. Also, it was Ashton's last ballet, just in case "last" or "final" plays a role in solving the puzzle.
Oh goodie! I like being right on ballet questions, even if it takes me three tries. :-)

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#46 Post by Weyoun » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:44 pm

What about this: BURTON connects to TAYLOR (Elizabeth) as well as to SPEKE. Indeed, both cases use "Richard Burton."

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#47 Post by NellyLunatic1980 » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:05 pm

Weyoun wrote:What about this: BURTON connects to TAYLOR (Elizabeth) as well as to SPEKE. Indeed, both cases use "Richard Burton."
Holy crap, I think you might be onto something!

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#48 Post by Weyoun » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:23 pm

Consolidating. Also confirmed some suggested answers and removed the alternatives. Also figured out who the reproductive guy had to be.

1. ABRAHAM LINCOLN
2. LE CORBUSIER (Charles-Edouard Jeanneret-Gris)
3. PHIL SIMMS
4. This author’s masterpiece is one of the leading candidates for the title of Great American Novel, but he lost the Pulitzer Prize to Edna Ferber.
F. (Francis) SCOTT (Key) FITZGERALD (for The Great Gatsby)? SINCLAIR LEWIS?

LEWIS doesn't work because he actually won the Pulitzer the next year, for "Arrowsmith," and there's not another book in range of "So Big" that could be it. However, FITZGERALD doesn't work either, since "Gatsby" was published in 1925, the year "So Big" won. However, there's really not another "Great American Novel" that it could be (it's too early for "The Sun Also Rises" and anything by Faulkner) - my guess is that Frank got the years mixed up, and is looking for Fitzgerald here.

5. GEORGE BERKELEY
6. MARGOT FONTEYN
7. CARLOS FINLAY
8. In his penultimate film – 47 years before his death – he played his own nephew. (Well, sorta.)
9. This pioneer of American finance brought the middle class into the stock market – and the supermarket.
CHARLES MERRILL?
10. W.E.B. (William Edward Burghardt) DU BOIS
11. BONO (Paul David Hewson)
12. LUCKY LUCIANO.
13. LOUIS JOSEPH DE MONTCALM
14. ELEANOR ROOSEVELT
15. POPE BENEDICT XVI (Joseph Ratziger)
16. SIMON COWELL
17. JANE MARPLE
18. W. (William) SOMERSET MAUGHAM
19. GERTRUDE EDERLE
20. CARL BERNSTEIN and BOB WOODWARD
21. SUSAN CLARK
22. WILLIAM MORTON
23. R. (Richard) BUCKMINSTER FULLER
24. PATSY CLINE
25. HAROLD JOHNSON
26. WILLIAM LEAR
27. ROGER SHERMAN
28. MARJORY DOUGLAS
29. HUBERT KELLER
30. JEDEDIAH SMITH
31. JEREMY TAYLOR
32. J. (John) EDGAR HOOVER
33. GERARD MANLEY HOPKINS
34. DOMINIQUE WILKINS
35. JAMES CHADWICK
36. LINDSAY ANDERSON
37. CHARLES IVES
38. SWEENEY TODD
39. BRIT HUME
40. GROVER CLEVELAND
41. JOHN DEWEY
42. JOHN LEWIS
43. GEORGE MARSHALL
44. HALSTON (Roy Halston Frowick)
45. JOHN HELD, JR.
46. A specialist in reproductive biology, this physician launched the study for which he is best known at Washington University in 1954.

WILLIAM MASTERS, I think. Pincus doesn't work - at Harvard, I think, and the other pill guys, like Rock and Djerassi, weren't at WashU, or they would have mentioned this in the nice tour they gave me of their school.

47. BEATRIX POTTER
48. EDWARD G ROBINSON
49. HELEN WILLS MOODY
50. JOHN SPEKE
51. EDWARD K. "DUKE" ELLINGTON
52. BUTCH CASSIDY (Robert LeRoy Parker)
53. THE SUNDANCE KID (Harry Alonzo Longabaugh)
54. JAMES I STUART
55. BRIGHAM YOUNG
56. ALFRED P. SLOAN
57. MARY MCDOWELL
58. YOGI BERRA
59. GEORGE "PAP" THOMAS
60. ALEXANDER GRAHAM BELL
61. THOMAS WOLFE
62. FLORENZ ZIEGFELD (produced Show Boat)
63. HENRY DAVID THOREAU
64. RED (Walter Lanier) BARBER
65. This soprano made her La Scala debut in 1946 under the direction of Toscanini, who declared that she had “the voice of an angel.”

I can confirm this is NOT Callas. So I will put forward two other options, JOAN SUTHERLAND and RENATA TEBALDI.

66. GEORGE LUKS
67. PAT (Thelma) NIXON
68. SCOTT CARPENTER
69. ROGER BACON
70. THE OWL AND THE PUSSYCAT
71. This Canadian-born entrepreneur opened the first of what became a chain of famous establishments on New York’s Fifth Avenue in 1907.
72. ROBERT JACKSON
73. This Victorian cleric helped shape the modern concept of a “liberal education.”
74. HAP (Henry Harley) ARNOLD
75. ISHMAEL REED
76. GARY (Frank James) COOPER
77. ERNEST RUTHERFORD
78. (Nelson) BO BURTON
79. PAUL MCCARTNEY
80. WOODROW WILSON

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#49 Post by smilergrogan » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:28 pm

But Elizabeth TAYLOR also connects to Mike TODD. Or Mary TODD connects to ABRAHAM LINCOLN, who connects to Stephen DOUGLAS. Or Mary TODD connects directly to Stephen DOUGLAS, since I think she knew him before she married Lincoln. A prior/later spouse/paramour theme would fit the title. There's also an ARNOLD and a THOMAS - both husbands of Roseanne Barr, but I don't see this idea going anywhere at first glance.

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#50 Post by Weyoun » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:35 pm

Just tossing random ideas out.

We have an IVES, which suggests a Currier. We don't have a Currier, but would Jedediah Smith, a furrier, be close enough? Perhaps trading an "f" with another name?

We also have several Johns. Two Johns plus Hopkins gives us Johns Hopkins. We have enough Georges to make a "Georges" first name, but no such Georges jump out at me as possibilities.

These are probably dead ends, as I fear Burton suggest is.

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