Whose God

[kayrharris]

From what I can find out, it appears it's because it was canceled, athough some seem to think he
would never have been healed regardless.

[TheCalvinator24]

If memory serves. That's why the line was in there referencing her character from The Piano. I'm something of a Kevin Smith aficionado (at least until Clerks II, that was horrible).

I thought Clerks II was funnier than the original.

[peacock2121]

From what I can find out, it appears it's because it was canceled, athough some seem to think he
would never have been healed regardless.

I am betting that if it wasn't canceled, he would have been walking again. He got through all of the anger and self pity, so they could give him the use of his legs back and it would be okay.

[clem21]

From what I can find out, it appears it's because it was canceled, athough some seem to think he
would never have been healed regardless.

I am betting that if it wasn't canceled, he would have been walking again. He got through all of the anger and self pity, so they could give him the use of his legs back and it would be okay.

Plus that psychic told him he'd dance at his wedding and he had regained the ability to fart at will (not a joke, it was an actual plot point).

[gotribego26]

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[Bob Juch]

If memory serves. That's why the line was in there referencing her character from The Piano. I'm something of a Kevin Smith aficionado (at least until Clerks II, that was horrible).

I thought Clerks II was funnier than the original.

If you hadn't seen Clerks, you never would have understoon many of the jokes in II. Look for me in the DVD credits of II.

[earendel]

Creating the arena in which choices can be made doesn't predetermine the choice. To use an imperfect example, if I give my child a choice among different food items, I may very well know which one he or she will choose because of my knowledge of the child. But I haven't "made" the child make any of the choices. Beyond that, the result of some of our choices limit the future choices that we can make, so in that sense we are "programming ourselves" into some actions.

When you created not only the arena, but the "chooser", indeed it does.

Which is why your analogy is imperfect, BTW.

It is, and that's why I said so. All discussions about God have to be by analogy and analogies are never perfect.

[WheresFanny]

If memory serves. That's why the line was in there referencing her character from The Piano. I'm something of a Kevin Smith aficionado (at least until Clerks II, that was horrible).

I thought Clerks II was funnier than the original.

If you hadn't seen Clerks, you never would have understoon many of the jokes in II. Look for me in the DVD credits of II.

What gives the impression that I haven't seen Clerks? Just because I think Clerks II is horrible doesn't mean that I didn't understand it. At least I saw it on one of the movie channels and didn't actually spend money on a DVD.

Cal's statement does not surprise me.

[TheCalvinator24]

I thought Clerks II was funnier than the original.

If you hadn't seen Clerks, you never would have understoon many of the jokes in II. Look for me in the DVD credits of II.

What gives the impression that I haven't seen Clerks? Just because I think Clerks II is horrible doesn't mean that I didn't understand it. At least I saw it on one of the movie channels and didn't actually spend money on a DVD.

Cal's statement does not surprise me.

ORLY?

For a more complete explanation, it is my personal belief (that's for you beebs) that Clerks is the better movie, but that Clerks II is actually funnier.

And I don't think BobJ was saying he thought you hadn't seen Clerks. He was saying that I wouldn't have thought Clerks II was as funny if I hadn't already seen Clerks.

[danielh41]

The Declaration of Independence says that "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Since these rights are given to us by God, they cannot be taken away by man or the government.

The quote in my signature refers to this, I think. When we start removing God from public society, we risk losing the acknowledgement that these basic rights are given to us by Him. And without God, we would begin to believe that these rights are given to us by the government. And if they are bestowed by the government, then the government can also take them away, i.e. certain communist countries where it has been decided that individual rights are outweighed by the good of the collective community.

And contrary to what the atheists who keep going to court are saying, this country was very much founded as a Christian country. The idea of the separation of church and state is not found anywhere in the founding documents (the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution). What is found in the Constitution is a direct reference to Jesus Christ as "our" Lord, in Article VII: "Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names."

I'm surprised that some athiest hasn't gone to court to try to find that Article VII of the Constitution is unconstitutional yet, but I'm sure that it will be coming in the near future (probably after they go to court to get the Declaration of Independence declared unconstitutional because of its reference to our "Creator").

Anyway, what I think that President Reagan was referring to was a belief in a higher power and that the government's power derives from this. He was warning us not to replace that higher power with the government itself.

[Beebs52]

[quote="WheresFanny
For a more complete explanation, it is my personal belief (that's for you beebs) that Clerks is the better movie, but that Clerks II is actually funnier.

And I don't think BobJ was saying he thought you hadn't seen Clerks. He was saying that I wouldn't have thought Clerks II was as funny if I hadn't already seen Clerks.

Snort. You're supposed to leave that part out! IMHO

[Thousandaire]

The Declaration of Independence says that "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Since these rights are given to us by God, they cannot be taken away by man or the government.

The quote in my signature refers to this, I think. When we start removing God from public society, we risk losing the acknowledgement that these basic rights are given to us by Him. And without God, we would begin to believe that these rights are given to us by the government. And if they are bestowed by the government, then the government can also take them away, i.e. certain communist countries where it has been decided that individual rights are outweighed by the good of the collective community.

And contrary to what the atheists who keep going to court are saying, this country was very much founded as a Christian country. The idea of the separation of church and state is not found anywhere in the founding documents (the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution). What is found in the Constitution is a direct reference to Jesus Christ as "our" Lord, in Article VII: "Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names."

I'm surprised that some athiest hasn't gone to court to try to find that Article VII of the Constitution is unconstitutional yet, but I'm sure that it will be coming in the near future (probably after they go to court to get the Declaration of Independence declared unconstitutional because of its reference to our "Creator").

Anyway, what I think that President Reagan was referring to was a belief in a higher power and that the government's power derives from this. He was warning us not to replace that higher power with the government itself.

Well, if God gave us our rights, then God can take them away. Actually those rights are inherent because we are human beings (that's why they're called "human rights"). Governments (including ours) take them away bit by bit. God isn't going to come down here and restore them. We have to do it.

[earendel]

And contrary to what the atheists who keep going to court are saying, this country was very much founded as a Christian country. The idea of the separation of church and state is not found anywhere in the founding documents (the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution). What is found in the Constitution is a direct reference to Jesus Christ as "our" Lord, in Article VII: "Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names."

I'm surprised that some athiest hasn't gone to court to try to find that Article VII of the Constitution is unconstitutional yet, but I'm sure that it will be coming in the near future (probably after they go to court to get the Declaration of Independence declared unconstitutional because of its reference to our "Creator").

Although there are abundant references to a deity in the founding documents of this nation, it's a far cry from that to the belief that this is a "Christian" nation. Many of the authors of those founding documents were Deists, meaning that they believed in a Creator, but not necessarily in Jesus Christ. The use of a commonly accepted dating system (and a literal translation of Anno Domini) says nothing about the religious beliefs of the Founders. In fact, daniel, I defy you to name one specifically and uniquely Christian principle on which this nation was founded.