Meryl Streep

[Estonut]

This was in the same speech as the one that Bob posted ad infinitum. Interesting that his clip cut short of this. This is Trump mocking the statements of a General, who is not disabled in any way. Notice any similarities?

Hard to tell. That clip is obviously both altered and truncated. It's three repeats of a two-second passage.

Doesn't compare to his mockery of the disabled as seen in this unaltered clip:

Hard to tell for an idiot, perhaps? He's wearing the same suit and surrounded by the same people.

[flockofseagulls104]

This was in the same speech as the one that Bob posted ad infinitum. Interesting that his clip cut short of this. This is Trump mocking the statements of a General, who is not disabled in any way. Notice any similarities?

Hard to tell. That clip is obviously both altered and truncated. It's three repeats of a two-second passage.

Doesn't compare to his mockery of the disabled as seen in this unaltered clip:

Hard to tell for an idiot, perhaps? He's wearing the same suit and surrounded by the same people.

It's secret right wing code. Those arm movements tell all us right wingers that we should all make fun of all people with handicaps. Bob somehow broke the code. WHO LEAKED IT???? Glad he doesn't know the code that tells us that he's going to deport all foreigners. Ms Streep must have stumbled on that one.

[elwoodblues]

Did Trump really call CNN fake news? That would be ironic since his chief strategist came from Breitbart.

[jarnon]

Did Trump really call CNN fake news? That would be ironic since his chief strategist came from Breitbart.

He said it to their face. First he complimented the other news media:

I want to thank a lot of the news organizations for some of whom have not treated me very well over the years — a couple in particular — and they came out so strongly against that fake news and the fact that it was written about by primarily one group [BuzzFeed] and one television station [CNN].

So, I just want to compliment many of the people in the room. I have great respect for the news and great respect for freedom of the press and all of that. But I will tell you, there were some news organizations with all that was just said that were so professional — so incredibly professional, that I’ve just gone up a notch as to what I think of you. OK?

He had harsh words for the leakers, but as I said in another topic, those didn't look like government documents.

Then when CNN asked a question, he wouldn't call on them. They persisted, and he called them rude and said "You are fake news!"

[silverscreenselect]

This was in the same speech as the one that Bob posted ad infinitum. Interesting that his clip cut short of this. This is Trump mocking the statements of a General, who is not disabled in any way. Notice any similarities?

And how does that diminish what he did earlier?

He makes fun of the reporter by waving his hands around and jerking his body, gets a good reaction from his usual bunch of supporters and then decides to do it again to make fun of a general.

Apparently, according to people like Flock and Esto, the more times you mock the disabled, the less offensive it is.

[silverscreenselect]

Those arm movements tell all us right wingers that we should all make fun of all people with handicaps.

Hate to break this to you Flock, but when the President of the United States does something, that tells a lot of people that it's acceptable behavior. The seventh inning stretch originated because William Howard Taft attended a ball game and decided to get up and stretch his legs at that time so a lot of people in the stands did the same thing. Trump by his actions is saying that it's all right to mock the disabled, and that encourages others to do the same thing.

[Estonut]

This was in the same speech as the one that Bob posted ad infinitum. Interesting that his clip cut short of this. This is Trump mocking the statements of a General, who is not disabled in any way. Notice any similarities?

And how does that diminish what he did earlier?

He makes fun of the reporter by waving his hands around and jerking his body, gets a good reaction from his usual bunch of supporters and then decides to do it again to make fun of a general.

Apparently, according to people like Flock and Esto, the more times you mock the disabled, the less offensive it is.

Is Ted Cruz disabled?

Here's Trump mocking Ted Cruz for being flustered and speechless:


Here's a collection of similar "impressions" on many occasions:

[flockofseagulls104]

Did Trump really call CNN fake news? That would be ironic since his chief strategist came from Breitbart.

He said it to their face. First he complimented the other news media:

I want to thank a lot of the news organizations for some of whom have not treated me very well over the years — a couple in particular — and they came out so strongly against that fake news and the fact that it was written about by primarily one group [BuzzFeed] and one television station [CNN].

So, I just want to compliment many of the people in the room. I have great respect for the news and great respect for freedom of the press and all of that. But I will tell you, there were some news organizations with all that was just said that were so professional — so incredibly professional, that I’ve just gone up a notch as to what I think of you. OK?

He had harsh words for the leakers, but as I said in another topic, those didn't look like government documents.

Then when CNN asked a question, he wouldn't call on them. They persisted, and he called them rude and said "You are fake news!"

He monitors the bored. I called it first.

[flockofseagulls104]

Those arm movements tell all us right wingers that we should all make fun of all people with handicaps.

Hate to break this to you Flock, but when the President of the United States does something, that tells a lot of people that it's acceptable behavior. The seventh inning stretch originated because William Howard Taft attended a ball game and decided to get up and stretch his legs at that time so a lot of people in the stands did the same thing. Trump by his actions is saying that it's all right to mock the disabled, and that encourages others to do the same thing.

Really? Is that what you thought when Bill Clinton diddled with his intern? And went on national TV and lied about it? Were you outraged by that?

Looks like you did, because you and Bob are trying to redefine what is is.

Sounds like a double standard to me, spazz-man.

[flockofseagulls104]

This was in the same speech as the one that Bob posted ad infinitum. Interesting that his clip cut short of this. This is Trump mocking the statements of a General, who is not disabled in any way. Notice any similarities?

And how does that diminish what he did earlier?

He makes fun of the reporter by waving his hands around and jerking his body, gets a good reaction from his usual bunch of supporters and then decides to do it again to make fun of a general.

Apparently, according to people like Flock and Esto, the more times you mock the disabled, the less offensive it is.

Let me fix that for you. According to people like Flock, he IS NOT mocking the disabled on any of those occasions. So your conclusion is wrong. As is your hypothesis.

I think I made that pretty clear if you actually READ what I've posted. I said if I thought he was deliberately mocking the disabled I would think he's a jerk. I wouldn't try to be the Special Adjudicator of the Public Sensibility. But I already think he's a jerk, and I don't have to make things up to justify my opinion like you and Bob are doing. Just because Trump is a liar, is rude and insults people with no second thought doesn't mean I have to be like that. I'll keep to the facts and watch what he does when he gets power, which he will, because he was elected President of my country, (not Hillary) and hope he matures and gets good advice from his advisors. I had hoped President Obama would too, but was mostly disappointed. I won't stoop to being as petty as Trump is, like you and Bob are.

PS to Bob: If you are going to accept money from your firm for mounting some kind of amorphous opposition to the President, at least try and base it on reality. To be so adamant about this particular incident makes you look stupid, with all due respect. That is my impression of Ms Streep, as well.

[Estonut]

Those arm movements tell all us right wingers that we should all make fun of all people with handicaps.

Hate to break this to you Flock, but when the President of the United States does something, that tells a lot of people that it's acceptable behavior. The seventh inning stretch originated because William Howard Taft attended a ball game and decided to get up and stretch his legs at that time so a lot of people in the stands did the same thing. Trump by his actions is saying that it's all right to mock the disabled, and that encourages others to do the same thing.

Really? Is that what you thought when Bill Clinton diddled with his intern? And went on national TV and lied about it? Were you outraged by that?

Looks like you did, because you and Bob are trying to redefine what is is.

Sounds like a double standard to me, spazz-man.

Even worse than the semantic BS about what "is" is, was the fact that he convinced a generation of kids that blowjobs are not sexual activity.

[silverscreenselect]

Hate to break this to you Flock, but when the President of the United States does something, that tells a lot of people that it's acceptable behavior. The seventh inning stretch originated because William Howard Taft attended a ball game and decided to get up and stretch his legs at that time so a lot of people in the stands did the same thing. Trump by his actions is saying that it's all right to mock the disabled, and that encourages others to do the same thing.

Really? Is that what you thought when Bill Clinton diddled with his intern? And went on national TV and lied about it? Were you outraged by that?

Looks like you did, because you and Bob are trying to redefine what is is.

Sounds like a double standard to me, spazz-man.

Even worse than the semantic BS about what "is" is, was the fact that he convinced a generation of kids that blowjobs are not sexual activity.

When the Russians release what they have on Trump, a whole new generation of kids will learn a heck of a lot more about sexual activity than what Clinton taught them.

[BackInTex]

When the Russians release what they have on Trump, a whole new generation of kids will learn a heck of a lot more about sexual activity than what Clinton taught them.

So you're saying Trump will win by a larger margin in 2020, because he'll get a lot of crossover votes? Wow.

[flockofseagulls104]

Really? Is that what you thought when Bill Clinton diddled with his intern? And went on national TV and lied about it? Were you outraged by that?

Looks like you did, because you and Bob are trying to redefine what is is.

Sounds like a double standard to me, spazz-man.

Even worse than the semantic BS about what "is" is, was the fact that he convinced a generation of kids that blowjobs are not sexual activity.

When the Russians release what they have on Trump, a whole new generation of kids will learn a heck of a lot more about sexual activity than what Clinton taught them.

That's your answer? That's #FAKE NEWS as well. Even the New York Times wouldn't go near it.

[BackInTex]

That's your answer? That's #FAKE NEWS as well. Even the New York Times wouldn't go near it.

#SSSFANTASY

[silverscreenselect]

That's your answer? That's #FAKE NEWS as well. Even the New York Times wouldn't go near it.

It's fascinating that the people who rail on about CNN and its "fake news" have no problem accepting as gospel anything that comes out of Breitbart or shows up on their Facebook page that supports their narrative. There has been a decline in journalistic standards, but Trump has taken advantage of that to the hilt by promoting anything favorable to him (or unfavorable to his opponents), no matter how dubious the sourcing. I've never heard him refer to Breitbart the same as he attacked BuzzFeed yesterday, and BuzzFeed's journalistic ethics and standards are Pulitzer Prize winning in comparison to Breitbart or the Drudge Report or similar popular sources among the right wing.

CNN did not publish what it couldn't verify (and my reference was a joke). There is information out there that needs to be responsibly evaluated and vetted. We have people in the intelligence community on both sides of the political fence leaking or threatening to leak confidential information (as with HIllary's October non-surprise e-mails).

Most of the time, what gets people like you upset is that you think CNN and others "cover up" ridiculously thin reports, like the story about people celebrating the 9/11 bombings. No responsible news organization in the world would turn that single sentence into a major scoop, and no responsible politician, even assuming he read and remembered that article, would use it to support a highly outrageous and inflammatory claim that he had seen hundreds or thousands of people in New Jersey celebrating on television. The real failing of the press during this past campaign is that they gave Trump a free pass over his repeated lies, evasions, and refusals to answer in favor of focusing on Miss Universe tweets and then, in the name of "equal time," giving equal or more coverage to non-scandals like the e-mail and Benghazi that never found evidence of any criminal wrongdoing.

Unfortunately for all of us, you and me both, the real world consequences of Trump's bluster and incompetence in the near future will have an effect on all of us.

[silverscreenselect]

Thinking about the repeated defenses of Trump brought back memories of a story I read (in the original French for a French class) in college called "The Siege of Berlin." It's in the public domain and short, so here's a link: http://www.bartleby.com/313/4/1.html.

Over the next few months, the Trump supporters and deniers are going to have that same reaction.

[flockofseagulls104]

That's your answer? That's #FAKE NEWS as well. Even the New York Times wouldn't go near it.

It's fascinating that the people who rail on about CNN and its "fake news" have no problem accepting as gospel anything that comes out of Breitbart or shows up on their Facebook page that supports their narrative. There has been a decline in journalistic standards, but Trump has taken advantage of that to the hilt by promoting anything favorable to him (or unfavorable to his opponents), no matter how dubious the sourcing. I've never heard him refer to Breitbart the same as he attacked BuzzFeed yesterday, and BuzzFeed's journalistic ethics and standards are Pulitzer Prize winning in comparison to Breitbart or the Drudge Report or similar popular sources among the right wing.

CNN did not publish what it couldn't verify (and my reference was a joke). There is information out there that needs to be responsibly evaluated and vetted. We have people in the intelligence community on both sides of the political fence leaking or threatening to leak confidential information (as with HIllary's October non-surprise e-mails).

Most of the time, what gets people like you upset is that you think CNN and others "cover up" ridiculously thin reports, like the story about people celebrating the 9/11 bombings. No responsible news organization in the world would turn that single sentence into a major scoop, and no responsible politician, even assuming he read and remembered that article, would use it to support a highly outrageous and inflammatory claim that he had seen hundreds or thousands of people in New Jersey celebrating on television. The real failing of the press during this past campaign is that they gave Trump a free pass over his repeated lies, evasions, and refusals to answer in favor of focusing on Miss Universe tweets and then, in the name of "equal time," giving equal or more coverage to non-scandals like the e-mail and Benghazi that never found evidence of any criminal wrongdoing.

Unfortunately for all of us, you and me both, the real world consequences of Trump's bluster and incompetence in the near future will have an effect on all of us.

I am not defending Trump for anything but THIS. He did not mock disabled people, and anyone who accepts as gospel that he was is not a reasonable person and has a hidden agenda. How did the idea that he was mocking anyone but Serge get into the public arena so strongly that Ms Streep was so badly fooled by it she based her Trump attack on it?

I'll tell you why. Because the MSM is so biased that they painted that opinion as TRUTH. And that is wrong. And a majority of people in this country have begun to see how they are being manipulated by the press and are standing up to it. Any reasonable person looking at Bob's video would not come to the conclusion that he was mocking 'the disabled' unless they were told he was.

The left, in its desperation to explain why Hillary lost, came up with this idea of "fake news". However, they don't understand it is their surrogates in the MSM that are the biggest offenders in putting it out. That is one thing I agree with President-Elect Trump on. He sees how corrupt and one sided the MSM media is. And so do a great number of Americans. We are not as dumb as they think we are. We see the double standard and we are sick of it.

[flockofseagulls104]

Thinking about the repeated defenses of Trump brought back memories of a story I read (in the original French for a French class) in college called "The Siege of Berlin." It's in the public domain and short, so here's a link: http://www.bartleby.com/313/4/1.html.

Over the next few months, the Trump supporters and deniers are going to have that same reaction.

#CHANGE THE SUBJECT

[silverscreenselect]

I am not defending Trump for anything but THIS. He did not mock disabled people, and anyone who accepts as gospel that he was is not a reasonable person and has a hidden agenda. How did the idea that he was mocking anyone but Serge get into the public arena so strongly that Ms Streep was so badly fooled by it she based her Trump attack on it?

Let me get this straight. Using a commonly held but erroneous misconception about handicapped people to mock one particular handicapped person is not mocking disabled people, especially when he continues to use that same offensive, exaggerated behavior later in his speech to mock other people.

Got it.

Here's another one of your role models not mocking disabled people:

[flockofseagulls104]

I am not defending Trump for anything but THIS. He did not mock disabled people, and anyone who accepts as gospel that he was is not a reasonable person and has a hidden agenda. How did the idea that he was mocking anyone but Serge get into the public arena so strongly that Ms Streep was so badly fooled by it she based her Trump attack on it?

Let me get this straight. Using a commonly held but erroneous misconception about handicapped people to mock one particular handicapped person is not mocking disabled people, especially when he continues to use that same offensive, exaggerated behavior later in his speech to mock other people.

Got it.

Here's another one of your role models not mocking disabled people:

Ummm What does Rush Limbaugh have to do with anything?

Oh, I get it!

#CHANGE THE SUBJECT
#FAKE NEWS

[flockofseagulls104]

I am not defending Trump for anything but THIS. He did not mock disabled people, and anyone who accepts as gospel that he was is not a reasonable person and has a hidden agenda. How did the idea that he was mocking anyone but Serge get into the public arena so strongly that Ms Streep was so badly fooled by it she based her Trump attack on it?

Let me get this straight. Using a commonly held but erroneous misconception about handicapped people to mock one particular handicapped person is not mocking disabled people, especially when he continues to use that same offensive, exaggerated behavior later in his speech to mock other people.

Got it.

Here's another one of your role models not mocking disabled people:

Are we to the point where if you have a handicap you are immune from criticism? You can say whatever you want and you cannot be questioned? Rush Limbaugh was not in any way mocking him because of his disability. He was physically illustrating Fox's movements to make a point. You may disagree with his opinion, but he was not mocking Fox. We don't need a Special Adjudicator of Public Sensibilities (SAPS), SSS. We can decide for ourselves.

This is (because of the 'ASS' adjective in the title), very definitely #FAKE NEWS to #CHANGE THE SUBJECT

[silverscreenselect]

Rush Limbaugh was not in any way mocking him because of his disability. He was physically illustrating Fox's movements to make a point. You may disagree with his opinion, but he was not mocking Fox.

Rush and Trump are doing the same thing I did when I was in the fourth grade. The only difference is that I understood it was making fun of disabled people and, by around the fifth grade, realized that it was wrong and stopped doing it.

You, Rush, and Trump apparently have never learned that.

[flockofseagulls104]

I am not ignorant of the video. And I have explained what I see many times. It is you and Bob that are showing willful ignorance. His gestures are his way of emphasizing what he is saying. You insist on taking it to another level, based only on your bigotry.

The only way to see this video that way:


Is to watch it with your eyes and mind closed. --Bob

I wonder if you noticed in this #FAKE NEWS clip that the CNN Fake news reporter slipped in the word 'debunked'. If you care to listen to what Trump said, he was referring to an article that Serge wrote in the Washington Post in which he reports that several people were taken into custody on 9/11 in NJ and they were celebrating the destruction of the Twin Towers. That report written by Serge was apparently overlooked by the Post when researching a 'fact check' fake news article in which they stated Trump was lying. Serge was claiming he didn't write the article that the evidence proved he wrote. http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 ... tional.phpThe statement that Trump made about 9/11 celebrations was NOT debunked, and Serge's article is the proof. Trump was dramatically illustrating Serge's trying to lie his way out of a corner. The only way you could interpret that as mocking handicapped people is that you want to interpret it that way.

The physical evidence (the article Serge wrote a day or so after 9/11), the topic of the speech, the fact that Serge does not have any similar impairment, the instances where Trump used the same gestures to illustrate frustration on the part of his opponents coupled with an ounce of common sense indicates there is an extraordinary amount of reasonable doubt of your accusation. The motive for this accusation? To deflect attention away from the fact that the Post wrote a hit piece that was shoddily researched and missed an article that appeared in the Post itself. And the motive on your part? You have publicly vowed to oppose and demonize Trump both personally and professionally.

As you like to say: show me some evidence to convince me that your accusation is true. I think you've lost this case, counselor.

Seems like Bob has dropped out of this discussion. He must have gotten hold of another video and is busy suing Trump for littering or something.

[flockofseagulls104]

Rush Limbaugh was not in any way mocking him because of his disability. He was physically illustrating Fox's movements to make a point. You may disagree with his opinion, but he was not mocking Fox.

Rush and Trump are doing the same thing I did when I was in the fourth grade. The only difference is that I understood it was making fun of disabled people and, by around the fifth grade, realized that it was wrong and stopped doing it.

You, Rush, and Trump apparently have never learned that.

Oh, so now you're in fifth grade? Congratulations!