Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy thought that the cameras and microphones were turned off, but they got caught expressing their true feelings to each other and to Chuck Todd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg
Murphy: You know, because I come out of the blue swing state governor world: Engler, Whitman, Tommy Thompson, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush. I mean, these guys--this is how you win a Texas race, just run it up. And it's not gonna work. And--
Noonan: It's over.
Murphy: Still McCain can give a version of the Lieberman speech to do himself some good.
Todd: I also think the Palin pick is insulting to Kay Bailey Hutchison, too.
Noonan: Saw Kay this morning.
Todd: Yeah, she's never looked comfortable about this--
Murphy: They're all bummed out.
Todd: Yeah, I mean is she really the most qualified woman they could have turned to?
Noonan: The most qualified? No! I think they went for this--excuse me-- political bulls**t about narratives--
Todd: Yeah, they went to a narrative.
Murphy: I totally agree.
Noonan: Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it.
Murphy: You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical.
Todd: This is cynical, and as you called it, gimmicky.
What conservatives are really saying about McCain/Palin
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Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of liberals saying not to complimentary things about Obama, too. Many when they knew the mic was open and the cameras on them. Oh wait, most of them backpeddled while giving their speeches last week.
One of them didn't backpeddle, and spoke at the RNC night before last.
One of them didn't backpeddle, and spoke at the RNC night before last.
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War is where the government tells you who the bad guy is.
Revolution is when you decide that for yourself.
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Funny - Lieberman donated $100,000 to the Democratic Senatorial Re-election Committee. If the Democrats had any integrity, they'd give it back to him.BackInTex wrote:Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of liberals saying not to complimentary things about Obama, too. Many when they knew the mic was open and the cameras on them. Oh wait, most of them backpeddled while giving their speeches last week.
One of them didn't backpeddle, and spoke at the RNC night before last.
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Remember Jesse Jackson and Obama's nuts?BackInTex wrote:Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of liberals saying not to complimentary things about Obama, too. Many when they knew the mic was open and the cameras on them. Oh wait, most of them backpeddled while giving their speeches last week.
One of them didn't backpeddle, and spoke at the RNC night before last.
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BackInTex wrote:Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of liberals saying not to complimentary things about Obama, too. Many when they knew the mic was open and the cameras on them. Oh wait, most of them backpeddled while giving their speeches last week.
And of course Rudy, Mitt, Mike and all he others didn't have anything at all bad to say about McCain during the primaries, judging by their speeches this week.
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This is what I really like about the complete hypocrisy of politics. One moment these guys are all at each other throats throwing as much mud as they can. And the next moment they are best buds, playing golf and sipping latte together.KillerTomato wrote:BackInTex wrote:Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of liberals saying not to complimentary things about Obama, too. Many when they knew the mic was open and the cameras on them. Oh wait, most of them backpeddled while giving their speeches last week.
And of course Rudy, Mitt, Mike and all he others didn't have anything at all bad to say about McCain during the primaries, judging by their speeches this week.
I think the same thing about lawyers. One moment they are spitting blood at each other in the courtroom and the next they are having lunch yukking it up.
This is one of the things, in general, that makes what they say so unbelievable.
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Perhaps the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about...
Perhaps the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about...
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Politicians are hypocrites?????? Say it ain't so!!!! 
Sirge, I agree wholeheartedly.
Sirge, I agree wholeheartedly.
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Well you certainly can't say that about SSS.Sir_Galahad wrote:This is what I really like about the complete hypocrisy of politics. One moment these guys are all at each other throats throwing as much mud as they can. And the next moment they are best buds, playing golf and sipping latte together.KillerTomato wrote:BackInTex wrote:Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of liberals saying not to complimentary things about Obama, too. Many when they knew the mic was open and the cameras on them. Oh wait, most of them backpeddled while giving their speeches last week.
And of course Rudy, Mitt, Mike and all he others didn't have anything at all bad to say about McCain during the primaries, judging by their speeches this week.
I think the same thing about lawyers. One moment they are spitting blood at each other in the courtroom and the next they are having lunch yukking it up.
This is one of the things, in general, that makes what they say so unbelievable.
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You may read the following in whatever manner you see fit. I provide it merely to complete the "story" advanced by Nelly, by giving Peggy Noonan's side of the story:
Well, I just got mugged by the nature of modern media, and I wish it weren't my fault, but it is. Readers deserve an explanation, so I'm putting a new top on today's column and, with the forbearance of the Journal, here it is.
Wednesday afternoon, in a live MSNBC television panel hosted by NBC's political analyst Chuck Todd, and along with Republican strategist Mike Murphy, we discussed Sarah Palin's speech this evening to the Republican National Convention. I said she has to tell us in her speech who she is, what she believes, and why she's here. We spoke of Republican charges that the media has been unfair to Mrs. Palin, and I defended the view that while the media should investigate every quote and vote she's made, and look deeply into her career, it has been unjust in its treatment of her family circumstances, and deserved criticism for this.
When the segment was over and MSNBC was in commercial, Todd, Murphy and I continued our conversation, talking about the Palin choice overall. We were speaking informally, with some passion -- and into live mics. An audio tape of that conversation was sent, how or by whom I don't know, onto the internet. And within three hours I was receiving it from friends far and wide, asking me why I thought the McCain campaign is "over", as it says in the transcript of the conversation. Here I must plead some confusion. In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up. "The first lesson they learned is the one they remember," I said to Todd -- and I'm pretty certain that is a direct quote. But, I argued, that's over, those assumptions are yesterday, the party can no longer assume that its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people. And when I said, "It's over!" -- and I said it more than once -- that is what I was referring to. I am pretty certain that is exactly what Todd and Murphy understood I was referring to. In the truncated version of the conversation, on the Web, it appears I am saying the McCain campaign is over. I did not say it, and do not think it. In fact, at an on-the-record press symposium on the campaign on Monday, when all of those on the panel were pressed to predict who would win, I said that I didn't know, but that we just might find "This IS a country for old men." That is, McCain may well win. I do not think the campaign is over, I do not think this is settled, and did not suggest, back to the Todd-Murphy conversation, that "It's over."
However, I did say two things that I haven't said in public, either in speaking or in my writing. One is a vulgar epithet that I wish I could blame on the mood of the moment but cannot. No one else, to my memory, swore. I just blurted. The other, more seriously, is a real criticism that I had not previously made, but only because I hadn't thought of it. And it is connected to a thought I had this morning, Wednesday morning, and wrote to a friend. Here it is. Early this morning I saw Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, and as we chatted about the McCain campaign (she thoughtfully and supportively) I looked into her eyes and thought, Why not her? Had she been vetted for the vice presidency, and how did it come about that it was the less experienced Mrs. Palin who was chosen? I didn't ask these questions or mention them, I just thought them. Later in the morning, still pondering this, I thought of something that had happened exactly 20 years before. It was just after the 1988 Republican convention ended. I was on the plane, as a speechwriter, that took Republican presidential nominee George H.W. Bush, and the new vice presidential nominee, Dan Quayle, from New Orleans, the site of the convention, to Indiana. Sitting next to Mr. Quayle was the other senator from that state, Richard Lugar. As we chatted, I thought, "Why him and not him?" Why Mr. Quayle as the choice, and not the more experienced Mr. Lugar? I came to think, in following years, that some of the reason came down to what is now called The Narrative. The story the campaign wishes to tell about itself, and communicate to others. I don't like the idea of The Narrative. I think it is ... a barnyard epithet. And, oddly enough, it is something that Republicans are not very good at, because it's not where they live, it's not what they're about, it's too fancy. To the extent the McCain campaign was thinking in these terms, I don't like that either. I do like Mrs. Palin, because I like the things she espouses. And because, frankly, I met her once and liked her. I suspect, as I say further in here, that her candidacy will be either dramatically successful or a dramatically not; it won't be something in between.
But, bottom line, I am certainly sorry I blurted my barnyard ephithet, I am certainly sorry that someone abused my meaning in the use of the words, "It's over," and I'm sorry I didn't have the Kay Bailey Hutchison thought before this morning, because I could have written of it. There. Now: onto today's column.
Well, I just got mugged by the nature of modern media, and I wish it weren't my fault, but it is. Readers deserve an explanation, so I'm putting a new top on today's column and, with the forbearance of the Journal, here it is.
Wednesday afternoon, in a live MSNBC television panel hosted by NBC's political analyst Chuck Todd, and along with Republican strategist Mike Murphy, we discussed Sarah Palin's speech this evening to the Republican National Convention. I said she has to tell us in her speech who she is, what she believes, and why she's here. We spoke of Republican charges that the media has been unfair to Mrs. Palin, and I defended the view that while the media should investigate every quote and vote she's made, and look deeply into her career, it has been unjust in its treatment of her family circumstances, and deserved criticism for this.
When the segment was over and MSNBC was in commercial, Todd, Murphy and I continued our conversation, talking about the Palin choice overall. We were speaking informally, with some passion -- and into live mics. An audio tape of that conversation was sent, how or by whom I don't know, onto the internet. And within three hours I was receiving it from friends far and wide, asking me why I thought the McCain campaign is "over", as it says in the transcript of the conversation. Here I must plead some confusion. In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up. "The first lesson they learned is the one they remember," I said to Todd -- and I'm pretty certain that is a direct quote. But, I argued, that's over, those assumptions are yesterday, the party can no longer assume that its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people. And when I said, "It's over!" -- and I said it more than once -- that is what I was referring to. I am pretty certain that is exactly what Todd and Murphy understood I was referring to. In the truncated version of the conversation, on the Web, it appears I am saying the McCain campaign is over. I did not say it, and do not think it. In fact, at an on-the-record press symposium on the campaign on Monday, when all of those on the panel were pressed to predict who would win, I said that I didn't know, but that we just might find "This IS a country for old men." That is, McCain may well win. I do not think the campaign is over, I do not think this is settled, and did not suggest, back to the Todd-Murphy conversation, that "It's over."
However, I did say two things that I haven't said in public, either in speaking or in my writing. One is a vulgar epithet that I wish I could blame on the mood of the moment but cannot. No one else, to my memory, swore. I just blurted. The other, more seriously, is a real criticism that I had not previously made, but only because I hadn't thought of it. And it is connected to a thought I had this morning, Wednesday morning, and wrote to a friend. Here it is. Early this morning I saw Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, and as we chatted about the McCain campaign (she thoughtfully and supportively) I looked into her eyes and thought, Why not her? Had she been vetted for the vice presidency, and how did it come about that it was the less experienced Mrs. Palin who was chosen? I didn't ask these questions or mention them, I just thought them. Later in the morning, still pondering this, I thought of something that had happened exactly 20 years before. It was just after the 1988 Republican convention ended. I was on the plane, as a speechwriter, that took Republican presidential nominee George H.W. Bush, and the new vice presidential nominee, Dan Quayle, from New Orleans, the site of the convention, to Indiana. Sitting next to Mr. Quayle was the other senator from that state, Richard Lugar. As we chatted, I thought, "Why him and not him?" Why Mr. Quayle as the choice, and not the more experienced Mr. Lugar? I came to think, in following years, that some of the reason came down to what is now called The Narrative. The story the campaign wishes to tell about itself, and communicate to others. I don't like the idea of The Narrative. I think it is ... a barnyard epithet. And, oddly enough, it is something that Republicans are not very good at, because it's not where they live, it's not what they're about, it's too fancy. To the extent the McCain campaign was thinking in these terms, I don't like that either. I do like Mrs. Palin, because I like the things she espouses. And because, frankly, I met her once and liked her. I suspect, as I say further in here, that her candidacy will be either dramatically successful or a dramatically not; it won't be something in between.
But, bottom line, I am certainly sorry I blurted my barnyard ephithet, I am certainly sorry that someone abused my meaning in the use of the words, "It's over," and I'm sorry I didn't have the Kay Bailey Hutchison thought before this morning, because I could have written of it. There. Now: onto today's column.
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I think that Jackson is bitter over the fact that the voters and the media took Obama's presidential campaign seriously, but gave his own presidential campaigns zero credibility.Comedian silverscreenselect wrote:Remember Jesse Jackson and Obama's nuts?
I also think that Jackson shouldn't have been talking about cutting off another man's nuts. Mrs. Jackson probably neutered him after she found out that he got that girl pregnant.
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Oh, really? Well, it turns out that Lieberman backpedaled in the other direction...BackInTex wrote:Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of liberals saying not to complimentary things about Obama, too. Many when they knew the mic was open and the cameras on them. Oh wait, most of them backpeddled while giving their speeches last week.
One of them didn't backpeddle, and spoke at the RNC night before last.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/0 ... 23541.html
"As far as I am concerned he is a Baruk, which means a blessing, he is a blessing to the United States Senate to America and to our shared hopes for a better safer tomorrow for all our families. The gifts that God has given to Barack Obama are as enormous as his future is unlimited. As his mentor, as his colleague, as his friend, I look forward to helping him reach to the stars and realize not just the dreams he has for himself but the dreams we all have for him and our blessed country."
Oh, that's right. I forgot. Lieberman said that in 2006 when he was trying to save his own ass in Connecticut.
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He made his words sweet, and he still may have to eat them.NellyLunatic1980 wrote:Oh, really? Well, it turns out that Lieberman backpedaled in the other direction...BackInTex wrote:Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of liberals saying not to complimentary things about Obama, too. Many when they knew the mic was open and the cameras on them. Oh wait, most of them backpeddled while giving their speeches last week.
One of them didn't backpeddle, and spoke at the RNC night before last.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/0 ... 23541.html
"As far as I am concerned he is a Baruk, which means a blessing, he is a blessing to the United States Senate to America and to our shared hopes for a better safer tomorrow for all our families. The gifts that God has given to Barack Obama are as enormous as his future is unlimited. As his mentor, as his colleague, as his friend, I look forward to helping him reach to the stars and realize not just the dreams he has for himself but the dreams we all have for him and our blessed country."
Oh, that's right. I forgot. Lieberman said that in 2006 when he was trying to save his own ass in Connecticut.
-- In Iroquois society, leaders are encouraged to remember seven generations in the past and consider seven generations in the future when making decisions that affect the people.
-- America would be a better place if leaders would do more long-term thinking. -- Wilma Mankiller
-- America would be a better place if leaders would do more long-term thinking. -- Wilma Mankiller
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If he does, he'll probably be eating them as a Republican, depending on how many Senate seats the Democrats pick up exactly two months from today.SportsFan68 wrote:He made his words sweet, and he still may have to eat them.NellyLunatic1980 wrote:Oh, really? Well, it turns out that Lieberman backpedaled in the other direction...BackInTex wrote:Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of liberals saying not to complimentary things about Obama, too. Many when they knew the mic was open and the cameras on them. Oh wait, most of them backpeddled while giving their speeches last week.
One of them didn't backpeddle, and spoke at the RNC night before last.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/0 ... 23541.html
"As far as I am concerned he is a Baruk, which means a blessing, he is a blessing to the United States Senate to America and to our shared hopes for a better safer tomorrow for all our families. The gifts that God has given to Barack Obama are as enormous as his future is unlimited. As his mentor, as his colleague, as his friend, I look forward to helping him reach to the stars and realize not just the dreams he has for himself but the dreams we all have for him and our blessed country."
Oh, that's right. I forgot. Lieberman said that in 2006 when he was trying to save his own ass in Connecticut.
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As I noted in another thread Liebermann contributed $100K to the Democratic Senatorial Re-election Committee, so I don't think he'll be losing his seat in the fall.NellyLunatic1980 wrote:If he does, he'll probably be eating them as a Republican, depending on how many Senate seats the Democrats pick up exactly two months from today.SportsFan68 wrote:He made his words sweet, and he still may have to eat them.NellyLunatic1980 wrote: Oh, really? Well, it turns out that Lieberman backpedaled in the other direction...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/0 ... 23541.html
"As far as I am concerned he is a Baruk, which means a blessing, he is a blessing to the United States Senate to America and to our shared hopes for a better safer tomorrow for all our families. The gifts that God has given to Barack Obama are as enormous as his future is unlimited. As his mentor, as his colleague, as his friend, I look forward to helping him reach to the stars and realize not just the dreams he has for himself but the dreams we all have for him and our blessed country."
Oh, that's right. I forgot. Lieberman said that in 2006 when he was trying to save his own ass in Connecticut.
"Elen sila lumenn omentielvo...A star shines on the hour of our meeting."
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I doubt you'll find much, if any, criticism of John McCain from Mike Huckabee from the Primary season. He pointed out their differences on policy, but he always expressed his admiration of McCain's character.Sir_Galahad wrote:This is what I really like about the complete hypocrisy of politics. One moment these guys are all at each other throats throwing as much mud as they can. And the next moment they are best buds, playing golf and sipping latte together.KillerTomato wrote:BackInTex wrote:Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of liberals saying not to complimentary things about Obama, too. Many when they knew the mic was open and the cameras on them. Oh wait, most of them backpeddled while giving their speeches last week.
And of course Rudy, Mitt, Mike and all he others didn't have anything at all bad to say about McCain during the primaries, judging by their speeches this week.
I think the same thing about lawyers. One moment they are spitting blood at each other in the courtroom and the next they are having lunch yukking it up.
This is one of the things, in general, that makes what they say so unbelievable.
Now, if Romney had won the nomination, it would be a different story.
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