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Before speech, Palin gets some coaching

#1 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:09 am

Since Sunday night, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has been holed up in her suite in the Hilton Minneapolis while a parade of Sen. John McCain's top advisers have briefed her on the nuances of his policy positions, national politics and, above all, how to introduce herself to the national audience she will address Wednesday night at the Republican convention.

Sitting around a dining room table, the McCain team has talked to her about Iraq, energy and the economy, but has focused on what she should say in her speech, struggling almost as hard as she has to prepare for what will be, along with a debate in October, her main opportunity to shape the way she is viewed by voters. Not anticipating that McCain would choose a woman as his running mate, the speech that was prepared in advance was "very masculine," according to campaign manager Rick Davis, and "we had to start from scratch."

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#2 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:15 am

So what's your point? That she shouldn't practice the most important speech of her career. Knowing that the press is looking to leap upon a single "57 state" or "potato-e" moment as proof she's not up for the job.

Before the Super Bowl, the New York Giants spent days "holed up" on a practice field getting ready for the game, even though they had been playing football every week for five solid months up until then.

I guarantee you both Obama and McCain spent time preparing for their acceptance speeches as well, as did Joe Biden, as all of them will for the debates.

My gut feel is that a lot of these "leaks" from the McCain camp are designed to lower public expectations regarding the speech so that her success will seem even more astonishing.

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#3 Post by BackInTex » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:21 am

silverscreenselect wrote: I guarantee you both Obama and McCain spent time preparing for their acceptance speeches as well, as did Joe Biden, as all of them will for the debates.
Yes they did. And Barak introduced Biden as the 'next president of the United States' while Biden referred to his running mate as Barak United States.
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#4 Post by SportsFan68 » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:23 am

silverscreenselect wrote:So what's your point? That she shouldn't practice the most important speech of her career. Knowing that the press is looking to leap upon a single "57 state" or "potato-e" moment as proof she's not up for the job.

Before the Super Bowl, the New York Giants spent days "holed up" on a practice field getting ready for the game, even though they had been playing football every week for five solid months up until then.

I guarantee you both Obama and McCain spent time preparing for their acceptance speeches as well, as did Joe Biden, as all of them will for the debates.

My gut feel is that a lot of these "leaks" from the McCain camp are designed to lower public expectations regarding the speech so that her success will seem even more astonishing.
I didn't perceive any particular point. To me, the coaching that went into every single speech from the Dem stage was blatantly obvious, even when I couldn't see the teleprompter, and I'm sure the same is true about the Reps.

I could see the teleprompter from my seat at Invesco/Mile High, and whoever was telepromptering for Gore had the hardest time. Everybody else was pausing for applause, Gore was talking right over it. Pure speculation on my part, that's probably the only way he was given that much time for such a long speech, promising not to pause. So whoever was pacing the teleprompter often hesitated but then of course went with the speaker and rolled on.
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#5 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:26 am

silverscreenselect wrote:So what's your point? That she shouldn't practice the most important speech of her career. Knowing that the press is looking to leap upon a single "57 state" or "potato-e" moment as proof she's not up for the job.

Before the Super Bowl, the New York Giants spent days "holed up" on a practice field getting ready for the game, even though they had been playing football every week for five solid months up until then.

I guarantee you both Obama and McCain spent time preparing for their acceptance speeches as well, as did Joe Biden, as all of them will for the debates.

My gut feel is that a lot of these "leaks" from the McCain camp are designed to lower public expectations regarding the speech so that her success will seem even more astonishing.
I have no point. I'm just reporting the news.

For someone who's supposed to be a Democrat, you seem to be spending a lot of time bashing the Democratic candidate and defending the Republican one.
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#6 Post by NellyLunatic1980 » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:38 am

Don't all politicians get coached before giving campaign speeches?

Non-story.

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#7 Post by Appa23 » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:40 am

Bob Juch wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:So what's your point? That she shouldn't practice the most important speech of her career. Knowing that the press is looking to leap upon a single "57 state" or "potato-e" moment as proof she's not up for the job.

Before the Super Bowl, the New York Giants spent days "holed up" on a practice field getting ready for the game, even though they had been playing football every week for five solid months up until then.

I guarantee you both Obama and McCain spent time preparing for their acceptance speeches as well, as did Joe Biden, as all of them will for the debates.

My gut feel is that a lot of these "leaks" from the McCain camp are designed to lower public expectations regarding the speech so that her success will seem even more astonishing.
I have no point. I'm just reporting the news.

For someone who's supposed to be a Democrat, you seem to be spending a lot of time bashing the Democratic candidate and defending the Republican one.
I wonder if I will be able to find any posts by Juch, castigating Sen. Hagel (R) for not agreeing with President Bush (R) and actually accompanying the Democratic nominee on a photo-op to the Middle East?

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Bob Juch wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:So what's your point? That she shouldn't practice the most important speech of her career. Knowing that the press is looking to leap upon a single "57 state" or "potato-e" moment as proof she's not up for the job.

Before the Super Bowl, the New York Giants spent days "holed up" on a practice field getting ready for the game, even though they had been playing football every week for five solid months up until then.

I guarantee you both Obama and McCain spent time preparing for their acceptance speeches as well, as did Joe Biden, as all of them will for the debates.

My gut feel is that a lot of these "leaks" from the McCain camp are designed to lower public expectations regarding the speech so that her success will seem even more astonishing.
I have no point. I'm just reporting the news.

For someone who's supposed to be a Democrat, you seem to be spending a lot of time bashing the Democratic candidate and defending the Republican one.

As insane a SSS's politics can be, I never got the impression that he felt that the Republican members of various Boards of Election were, by definition, agents of Satan. Blind allegiance to ANY organization is just that.

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#9 Post by JBillyGirl » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:49 am

I'm no fan of Sarah Palin (don't get me started), but I'm sure every candidate gets coaching like this before they make a big speech, so I don't see what the big deal is here.

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#10 Post by ne1410s » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:52 am

i gor:
Blind allegiance to ANY organization is just that.
True believers are always wrong. Whether they are Democrats, Republicans, Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists, whatevers--they are always, at some point, wrong.
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#11 Post by KillerTomato » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:01 am

ne1410s wrote:i gor:
Blind allegiance to ANY organization is just that.
True believers are always wrong. Whether they are Democrats, Republicans, Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists, whatevers--they are always, at some point, wrong.


You forgot Cubs fans. OK, Buccos fans too.
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#12 Post by ne1410s » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:04 am

KT:
You forgot Cubs fans. OK, Buccos fans too.
Both funny and true!!!! :oops:
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#13 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:05 am

JBillyGirl wrote:I'm no fan of Sarah Palin (don't get me started), but I'm sure every candidate gets coaching like this before they make a big speech, so I don't see what the big deal is here.
What I thought was interesting was that the speech was written for a man before she was nominated.
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#14 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:06 am

ne1410s wrote:i gor:
Blind allegiance to ANY organization is just that.
True believers are always wrong. Whether they are Democrats, Republicans, Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists, whatevers--they are always, at some point, wrong.
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#15 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:06 am

Appa23 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:So what's your point? That she shouldn't practice the most important speech of her career. Knowing that the press is looking to leap upon a single "57 state" or "potato-e" moment as proof she's not up for the job.

Before the Super Bowl, the New York Giants spent days "holed up" on a practice field getting ready for the game, even though they had been playing football every week for five solid months up until then.

I guarantee you both Obama and McCain spent time preparing for their acceptance speeches as well, as did Joe Biden, as all of them will for the debates.

My gut feel is that a lot of these "leaks" from the McCain camp are designed to lower public expectations regarding the speech so that her success will seem even more astonishing.
I have no point. I'm just reporting the news.

For someone who's supposed to be a Democrat, you seem to be spending a lot of time bashing the Democratic candidate and defending the Republican one.
I wonder if I will be able to find any posts by Juch, castigating Sen. Hagel (R) for not agreeing with President Bush (R) and actually accompanying the Democratic nominee on a photo-op to the Middle East?
Now why would I want to do that?
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#16 Post by gsabc » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:15 am

JBillyGirl wrote:I'm no fan of Sarah Palin (don't get me started), but I'm sure every candidate gets coaching like this before they make a big speech, so I don't see what the big deal is here.
I agree. I would HOPE she'd get coaching, with the much bigger spotlight shining on her than in Alaska. Even the most experienced politicians get some help before major speeches.
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Re: Before speech, Palin gets some coaching

#17 Post by Weyoun » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:18 am

Bob Juch wrote:Since Sunday night, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has been holed up in her suite in the Hilton Minneapolis while a parade of Sen. John McCain's top advisers have briefed her on the nuances of his policy positions, national politics and, above all, how to introduce herself to the national audience she will address Wednesday night at the Republican convention.

Sitting around a dining room table, the McCain team has talked to her about Iraq, energy and the economy, but has focused on what she should say in her speech, struggling almost as hard as she has to prepare for what will be, along with a debate in October, her main opportunity to shape the way she is viewed by voters. Not anticipating that McCain would choose a woman as his running mate, the speech that was prepared in advance was "very masculine," according to campaign manager Rick Davis, and "we had to start from scratch."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26520727/
Though you and MSNBC will feign innocence, the only reason this would be "newsworthy" would be because this is a "bad" thing, when, of course, it isn't. You cannot see coverage of Palin on the news without the sense that the reporter is speaking with an arched eyebrow, or is using scare quotes.

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Re: Before speech, Palin gets some coaching

#18 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:26 am

Weyoun wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:Since Sunday night, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has been holed up in her suite in the Hilton Minneapolis while a parade of Sen. John McCain's top advisers have briefed her on the nuances of his policy positions, national politics and, above all, how to introduce herself to the national audience she will address Wednesday night at the Republican convention.

Sitting around a dining room table, the McCain team has talked to her about Iraq, energy and the economy, but has focused on what she should say in her speech, struggling almost as hard as she has to prepare for what will be, along with a debate in October, her main opportunity to shape the way she is viewed by voters. Not anticipating that McCain would choose a woman as his running mate, the speech that was prepared in advance was "very masculine," according to campaign manager Rick Davis, and "we had to start from scratch."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26520727/
Though you and MSNBC will feign innocence, the only reason this would be "newsworthy" would be because this is a "bad" thing, when, of course, it isn't. You cannot see coverage of Palin on the news without the sense that the reporter is speaking with an arched eyebrow, or is using scare quotes.
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#19 Post by mellytu74 » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:26 am

gsabc wrote:
JBillyGirl wrote:I'm no fan of Sarah Palin (don't get me started), but I'm sure every candidate gets coaching like this before they make a big speech, so I don't see what the big deal is here.
I agree. I would HOPE she'd get coaching, with the much bigger spotlight shining on her than in Alaska. Even the most experienced politicians get some help before major speeches.
REC on both.

Although I do find Rick Davis's comment about starting from scratch and the masculine speech very odd.

Why put it out there, unless to lower expectations?

And, even though I am not voting her, I do think that sells a very appealing candidate awfully short.

Of course, Davis also told The Washington Post yesterday:

"This election is not about issues," said Davis. "This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates."

I think that's a VERY strange thing to say because, early on, both McCain and Obama (before there were running mates) talked about how it would be an election about the economy, Iraq, oil, allies and strength in foreign policy.

They aren't issues?

But, I digress.

I just wanted to post that I am with the prep-the-candidate camp on this one.

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#20 Post by Ritterskoop » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:27 am

Possibly not irrelevant, but painfully obvious.
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#21 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Wed Sep 03, 2008 3:47 pm

I heard she was doing it herself.

She chopped down the trees by herself and chewed them to pulp and then she produced the paper on which she wrote the speech, using the blood of her last hunting trophy as ink.
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#22 Post by admanvii » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:31 pm

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:I heard she was doing it herself.

She chopped down the trees by herself




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#23 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:29 pm

[quote
I have no point. I'm just reporting the news.

For someone who's supposed to be a Democrat, you seem to be spending a lot of time bashing the Democratic candidate and defending the Republican one.[/quote]

Yeah, right Bob, you're just reporting the news. I guess a daily dose of talking points is considered the news these days.

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#24 Post by peacock2121 » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:51 am

Ritterskoop wrote:Possibly not irrelevant, but painfully obvious.
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Great one!

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