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A question for Hillary fans

#1 Post by mellytu74 » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:16 pm

A question for the people who have been ripping Obama a new one - in extremely nasty and vipertuitive language.

Why do you believe anything Hillary Clinton says?

What experience? What 3 a.m. phone calls has she answered? There is no concrete reason to believe she had national security clearance to sit in on any high-level meetings -- if she had she certainly would have mentioned it.

Northern Ireland: Instrumental in the Northern Ireland peace process? Funny, she doesn't look like George Mitchell or Madeline Albright. A Nobel Peace Prize winner who WAS involved called her claims silly.

Kosovo: The borders were open before she got there. Exactly what diplomatic wrangling did she do to get them that way?

Urging intervention in Rwanda? Why didn't she mention it ibefore? Or her husband mention it as a regret -- and he mentioned others -- in his memoirs?

Bosnia: It was a USO show. Unless Sinbad and Sheryl Crow have some national security clearance we weren't told about.

AND, if it was a dangerous trip with bullets flying, why did she bring her teenaged daughter? What kind of judgment does THAT show?

OR domestic issues.

FMLA: Helped pass the Family & Medical Leave Act?

Uh, no. I was a congressional aide when that was passed. It had huge bi-partisan support; George HW Bush vetoed it twice.

That it would be passed immediately after Bill Clinton was inaugurated was a given. Took about two weeks.

A Democrat who ran for President DID have a huge role in crafting FMLA.

Unfortunately for Hillary Clinton, it was Chris Dodd.

NAFTA: She spoke in favor of NAFTA when she ran for the Senator in New York and hosted pro-NAFTA breakfasts in the White House.

Unless, of course, that was some other NAFTA and not the one she ran against in Ohio.

And, I loved the way she managed the health care bill when she was First Lady. Why should I believe she'll do better this time?

If Barack Obama doesn't have foreign policy experience, she doesn't either. At least not any more than, say, Mrs. Tony Blair.

And that puts both of them on par with, oh, Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton when THEY ran for president.

So, tell me, the undecided Pennsylvania voter, why Hillary Clinton isn't a snake oil salesperson?

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#2 Post by Booch » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:02 am

I am not an undecided Pennsylvania voter.

I am a Pennsylvania voter who is absolutely terrified that this country is in real trouble right now, and it is not going to get any better with Obama, Hill, OR McCain. This whole country is run by money and power hungry crooks, criminals and liars...both Democrats and Republicans. I stopped talking politics a while ago because just thinking about our "leadership" makes me want to vomit.

I'm going to write-in Monty Brewster.

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#3 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:22 am

Booch wrote:I'm going to write-in Monty Brewster.
Didn't he run four years ago? Oh wait, that was John Kerry.
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#4 Post by peacock2121 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:25 am

I don't even know who Monty Brewster is.

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#5 Post by peacock2121 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:32 am

Is he Punky's father?

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#6 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:57 am

peacock2121 wrote:I don't even know who Monty Brewster is.
So look it up!
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Re: A question for Hillary fans

#7 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:52 am

mellytu74 wrote:A question for the people who have been ripping Obama a new one - in extremely nasty and vipertuitive language.


What experience? What 3 a.m. phone calls has she answered? There is no concrete reason to believe she had national security clearance to sit in on any high-level meetings -- if she had she certainly would have mentioned it.

Northern Ireland: Instrumental in the Northern Ireland peace process? Funny, she doesn't look like George Mitchell or Madeline Albright. A Nobel Peace Prize winner who WAS involved called her claims silly.
John Hume, who shared the Nobel Peace prize with David Trimble, the source for most of the anti-Hillary quotes, has a different view of her involvement in the peace process.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=6430

As does Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams:

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=6490

Yes, these are Hillary's sources, but they cite to other independent sources and can be easily verified. The nature of the first lady's role in such negotiations is not the same as a Secretary of State or Defense. She had no official capacity, and so had to work behind the scenes. A lot of people are aware of this and have come forth on the record. She did not spend her time as first lady having tea with the prime minister's wife, as Obama has claimed.

And what of Mr. Obama, what has he done on or off the record in his three years in the Senate. Oh yes, that subcommittee he chairs which has had a grand total of zero meetings in the two years he's been in charge.

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#8 Post by peacock2121 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:11 am

Bob Juch wrote:
peacock2121 wrote:I don't even know who Monty Brewster is.
So look it up!
If I cared enough to do that, I would.

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#9 Post by Booch » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:31 am

peacock2121 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
peacock2121 wrote:I don't even know who Monty Brewster is.
So look it up!
If I cared enough to do that, I would.

Wow...still bitchy. :?

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#10 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:49 am

Booch wrote:
peacock2121 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote: So look it up!
If I cared enough to do that, I would.

Wow...still bitchy. :?
Booch Begs Bitchy Bite
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

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#11 Post by peacock2121 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:55 am

Hey Booch!


Bite me.

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#12 Post by earendel » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:10 am

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
Booch wrote:
peacock2121 wrote: If I cared enough to do that, I would.

Wow...still bitchy. :?
Booch Begs Bitchy Bite
Film at 11!!
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#13 Post by 5LD » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:12 am

And it appears she inflated fundraising totals that had to be announced prior to Ohio and Texas by $16 Mil.

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=926

Nope don't trust her. Not one itty bit.

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#14 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:34 am

peacock2121 wrote:Hey Booch!


Bite me.
If you looked like Heidi I would:

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#15 Post by Sir_Galahad » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:39 pm

Operation Chaos Rulz! ;)
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Perhaps the Hokey Pokey IS what it's all about...

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