A question for Hillary fans
- mellytu74
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A question for Hillary fans
A question for the people who have been ripping Obama a new one - in extremely nasty and vipertuitive language.
Why do you believe anything Hillary Clinton says?
What experience? What 3 a.m. phone calls has she answered? There is no concrete reason to believe she had national security clearance to sit in on any high-level meetings -- if she had she certainly would have mentioned it.
Northern Ireland: Instrumental in the Northern Ireland peace process? Funny, she doesn't look like George Mitchell or Madeline Albright. A Nobel Peace Prize winner who WAS involved called her claims silly.
Kosovo: The borders were open before she got there. Exactly what diplomatic wrangling did she do to get them that way?
Urging intervention in Rwanda? Why didn't she mention it ibefore? Or her husband mention it as a regret -- and he mentioned others -- in his memoirs?
Bosnia: It was a USO show. Unless Sinbad and Sheryl Crow have some national security clearance we weren't told about.
AND, if it was a dangerous trip with bullets flying, why did she bring her teenaged daughter? What kind of judgment does THAT show?
OR domestic issues.
FMLA: Helped pass the Family & Medical Leave Act?
Uh, no. I was a congressional aide when that was passed. It had huge bi-partisan support; George HW Bush vetoed it twice.
That it would be passed immediately after Bill Clinton was inaugurated was a given. Took about two weeks.
A Democrat who ran for President DID have a huge role in crafting FMLA.
Unfortunately for Hillary Clinton, it was Chris Dodd.
NAFTA: She spoke in favor of NAFTA when she ran for the Senator in New York and hosted pro-NAFTA breakfasts in the White House.
Unless, of course, that was some other NAFTA and not the one she ran against in Ohio.
And, I loved the way she managed the health care bill when she was First Lady. Why should I believe she'll do better this time?
If Barack Obama doesn't have foreign policy experience, she doesn't either. At least not any more than, say, Mrs. Tony Blair.
And that puts both of them on par with, oh, Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton when THEY ran for president.
So, tell me, the undecided Pennsylvania voter, why Hillary Clinton isn't a snake oil salesperson?
Why do you believe anything Hillary Clinton says?
What experience? What 3 a.m. phone calls has she answered? There is no concrete reason to believe she had national security clearance to sit in on any high-level meetings -- if she had she certainly would have mentioned it.
Northern Ireland: Instrumental in the Northern Ireland peace process? Funny, she doesn't look like George Mitchell or Madeline Albright. A Nobel Peace Prize winner who WAS involved called her claims silly.
Kosovo: The borders were open before she got there. Exactly what diplomatic wrangling did she do to get them that way?
Urging intervention in Rwanda? Why didn't she mention it ibefore? Or her husband mention it as a regret -- and he mentioned others -- in his memoirs?
Bosnia: It was a USO show. Unless Sinbad and Sheryl Crow have some national security clearance we weren't told about.
AND, if it was a dangerous trip with bullets flying, why did she bring her teenaged daughter? What kind of judgment does THAT show?
OR domestic issues.
FMLA: Helped pass the Family & Medical Leave Act?
Uh, no. I was a congressional aide when that was passed. It had huge bi-partisan support; George HW Bush vetoed it twice.
That it would be passed immediately after Bill Clinton was inaugurated was a given. Took about two weeks.
A Democrat who ran for President DID have a huge role in crafting FMLA.
Unfortunately for Hillary Clinton, it was Chris Dodd.
NAFTA: She spoke in favor of NAFTA when she ran for the Senator in New York and hosted pro-NAFTA breakfasts in the White House.
Unless, of course, that was some other NAFTA and not the one she ran against in Ohio.
And, I loved the way she managed the health care bill when she was First Lady. Why should I believe she'll do better this time?
If Barack Obama doesn't have foreign policy experience, she doesn't either. At least not any more than, say, Mrs. Tony Blair.
And that puts both of them on par with, oh, Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton when THEY ran for president.
So, tell me, the undecided Pennsylvania voter, why Hillary Clinton isn't a snake oil salesperson?
- Booch
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I am not an undecided Pennsylvania voter.
I am a Pennsylvania voter who is absolutely terrified that this country is in real trouble right now, and it is not going to get any better with Obama, Hill, OR McCain. This whole country is run by money and power hungry crooks, criminals and liars...both Democrats and Republicans. I stopped talking politics a while ago because just thinking about our "leadership" makes me want to vomit.
I'm going to write-in Monty Brewster.
I am a Pennsylvania voter who is absolutely terrified that this country is in real trouble right now, and it is not going to get any better with Obama, Hill, OR McCain. This whole country is run by money and power hungry crooks, criminals and liars...both Democrats and Republicans. I stopped talking politics a while ago because just thinking about our "leadership" makes me want to vomit.
I'm going to write-in Monty Brewster.
- Bob Juch
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Didn't he run four years ago? Oh wait, that was John Kerry.Booch wrote:I'm going to write-in Monty Brewster.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
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- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
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So look it up!peacock2121 wrote:I don't even know who Monty Brewster is.
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
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Re: A question for Hillary fans
John Hume, who shared the Nobel Peace prize with David Trimble, the source for most of the anti-Hillary quotes, has a different view of her involvement in the peace process.mellytu74 wrote:A question for the people who have been ripping Obama a new one - in extremely nasty and vipertuitive language.
What experience? What 3 a.m. phone calls has she answered? There is no concrete reason to believe she had national security clearance to sit in on any high-level meetings -- if she had she certainly would have mentioned it.
Northern Ireland: Instrumental in the Northern Ireland peace process? Funny, she doesn't look like George Mitchell or Madeline Albright. A Nobel Peace Prize winner who WAS involved called her claims silly.
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=6430
As does Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams:
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=6490
Yes, these are Hillary's sources, but they cite to other independent sources and can be easily verified. The nature of the first lady's role in such negotiations is not the same as a Secretary of State or Defense. She had no official capacity, and so had to work behind the scenes. A lot of people are aware of this and have come forth on the record. She did not spend her time as first lady having tea with the prime minister's wife, as Obama has claimed.
And what of Mr. Obama, what has he done on or off the record in his three years in the Senate. Oh yes, that subcommittee he chairs which has had a grand total of zero meetings in the two years he's been in charge.
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Booch Begs Bitchy BiteBooch wrote:peacock2121 wrote:If I cared enough to do that, I would.Bob Juch wrote: So look it up!
Wow...still bitchy.
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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And it appears she inflated fundraising totals that had to be announced prior to Ohio and Texas by $16 Mil.
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=926
Nope don't trust her. Not one itty bit.
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=926
Nope don't trust her. Not one itty bit.
- Bob Juch
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If you looked like Heidi I would:peacock2121 wrote:Hey Booch!
Bite me.

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
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