The normals are on to us...

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ladysoleil · #1 Post by **ladysoleil** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:45 am

I knew sooner or later someone would do a gothcruise story.

http://jscms.jrn.columbia.edu/cns/2007- ... othcruises

The article is amusing. I am amused personally that I managed to stay out of it completely, unless you count the reference to drunks in a hotel room in Vegas. I need to call shenanigans on that one, if I remember correctly the idea was actually hatched in a hallway shortly after the goths had a head-on collision with the Elvis Convention. (A bunch of us literally ran into about 10 Elvi (I have decided that should be the amusing plural form of Elvis...) . The funny thing was that the goths wanted pictures with the Elvi, and the Elvi wanted pictures with us!)

peacock2121 · #2 Post by **peacock2121** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:57 am

Who you calling normal?

ladysoleil · #3 Post by **ladysoleil** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:08 am

peacock2121 wrote:Who you calling normal?

Normal is relative, I guess. For people who tend to answer to "freak", anyone who is not a "freak" is a "normal".

Some freakypeople refer to non-goths as "mundanes" but I think that's rather meanspirited so I don't.

peacock2121 · #4 Post by **peacock2121** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:43 am

I am neither mundane, normal, freaky or goth.

I do not know what I am.

earendel · #5 Post by **earendel** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:44 am

ladysoleil wrote:
peacock2121 wrote:Who you calling normal?
Normal is relative, I guess. For people who tend to answer to "freak", anyone who is not a "freak" is a "normal".

Some freakypeople refer to non-goths as "mundanes" but I think that's rather meanspirited so I don't.

Try using the word "muggle" - it works in a myriad of situations.

mrkelley23 · #6 Post by **mrkelley23** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:48 am

The whole idea of a Goth cruise reminds me of when I was in college, and an acquaintance of mine, I kid you not, invited me to an anarchists' convention.

If I'd had a glass of water, I'd have done a spit take. As it was, I just asked her if she was going to run for parliamentarian. She dint get it.

And Elvi as a plural has been around for years, cf. The Flying Elvi:

http://www.flyingelvi.com/

ladysoleil · #7 Post by **ladysoleil** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:54 am

mrkelley23 wrote:The whole idea of a Goth cruise reminds me of when I was in college, and an acquaintance of mine, I kid you not, invited me to an anarchists' convention.

If I'd had a glass of water, I'd have done a spit take. As it was, I just asked her if she was going to run for parliamentarian. She dint get it.

And Elvi as a plural has been around for years, cf. The Flying Elvi:

http://www.flyingelvi.com/

The anarchist convention thing is pretty good. *snicker* As for the whole Goth Cruise idea, it seems a little odd, but hey, we like each other and we like vacationing together. I think it's the incongruity of it that kind of makes it fun.

Yay for Elvi. I've been using it for years but usually people argue with me about it that it's grammatically weird. It probably is. But it amuses me.

tanstaafl2 · #8 Post by **tanstaafl2** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:16 pm

Is there goth beachwear? Somehow I don't see board shorts, slippahs and aloha shirts as being a mainstay but perhaps so.

I honestly don't know as I don't have much exposure to a goth lifestyle much beyond the Hollywood version on NCIS.

ladysoleil · #9 Post by **ladysoleil** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:51 pm

earendel wrote:
Try using the word "muggle" - it works in a myriad of situations.

It does, and I've heard some folks use it. I think it's amusing, but I am not allowed to make HP jokes in my usual company as I will be mocked mercilessly. (long story.)

ladysoleil · #10 Post by **ladysoleil** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:59 pm

tanstaafl2 wrote:Is there goth beachwear? Somehow I don't see board shorts, slippahs and aloha shirts as being a mainstay but perhaps so.

I honestly don't know as I don't have much exposure to a goth lifestyle much beyond the Hollywood version on NCIS.

Not so much, really. I've seen a couple of odd things- I know someone who has a full Victorian bathing costume complete with parasol, but she doesn't actually swim in it. That would be impractical. I'm not speaking for the masses, but when I'm on vacation, I'm on vacation. I spent most of the last cruise in jeans, board shorts and a variety of sarcastic tee shirts. And Tevas. I love my Tevas. They are black, though.

tanstaafl2 · #11 Post by **tanstaafl2** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:35 pm

ladysoleil wrote:
tanstaafl2 wrote:Is there goth beachwear? Somehow I don't see board shorts, slippahs and aloha shirts as being a mainstay but perhaps so.

I honestly don't know as I don't have much exposure to a goth lifestyle much beyond the Hollywood version on NCIS.
Not so much, really. I've seen a couple of odd things- I know someone who has a full Victorian bathing costume complete with parasol, but she doesn't actually swim in it. That would be impractical. I'm not speaking for the masses, but when I'm on vacation, I'm on vacation. I spent most of the last cruise in jeans, board shorts and a variety of sarcastic tee shirts. And Tevas. I love my Tevas. They are black, though.

Thanks for the insight!

So what is the goth connection to victorian and other vintage clothing? The article mentions "victorian steam punk" and wearing victorian gowns. I always thought from my sheltered existence it was leather, piercings, combat boots and dark makeup. Apparently with a little pink thrown in based on the couple from Amazing Race!

ladysoleil · #12 Post by **ladysoleil** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:41 am

tanstaafl2 wrote:
Thanks for the insight!

So what is the goth connection to victorian and other vintage clothing? The article mentions "victorian steam punk" and wearing victorian gowns. I always thought from my sheltered existence it was leather, piercings, combat boots and dark makeup. Apparently with a little pink thrown in based on the couple from Amazing Race!

The short answer is that anything goes. The long answer is that there are some different clothing styles within the genre that are mostly personal taste.

Back in the olden days before you could go to the mall and buy something odd at Hot Topic, things were very do-it-yourself, so that's where the vintage comes in.

Texture and unusual detailing is always a winner, which is another reason why the Victorian look is a big deal, you've got really rich fabrics and layering and lace and corsets and all sorts of interesting stuff going on there.

The commonality seems to be dark colors, dramatic makeup and an elegant look, regardless of what style you're going with, so a leather skirt and boots is just as acceptable as a bustled velvet ballgown as long as it fits well and looks good on you. It's so much about personal expression, you'll really never see two people dressed identically and even if they're wearing the same outfit, it won't look the same anyway.

I think the Amazing Race crew is never going to really bust out any seriously high fashion. They've got planes to catch, after all. And rivers to swim, and whatever else they need to do.

As for the piercings and what all, it varies. It's fairly common, but it's not expected that you have them. I have no tattoos and no piercings and I get along just fine.

tanstaafl2 · #13 Post by **tanstaafl2** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:28 pm

ladysoleil wrote:
tanstaafl2 wrote:
Thanks for the insight!

So what is the goth connection to victorian and other vintage clothing? The article mentions "victorian steam punk" and wearing victorian gowns. I always thought from my sheltered existence it was leather, piercings, combat boots and dark makeup. Apparently with a little pink thrown in based on the couple from Amazing Race!
The short answer is that anything goes. The long answer is that there are some different clothing styles within the genre that are mostly personal taste.

Back in the olden days before you could go to the mall and buy something odd at Hot Topic, things were very do-it-yourself, so that's where the vintage comes in.

Texture and unusual detailing is always a winner, which is another reason why the Victorian look is a big deal, you've got really rich fabrics and layering and lace and corsets and all sorts of interesting stuff going on there.

The commonality seems to be dark colors, dramatic makeup and an elegant look, regardless of what style you're going with, so a leather skirt and boots is just as acceptable as a bustled velvet ballgown as long as it fits well and looks good on you. It's so much about personal expression, you'll really never see two people dressed identically and even if they're wearing the same outfit, it won't look the same anyway.

I think the Amazing Race crew is never going to really bust out any seriously high fashion. They've got planes to catch, after all. And rivers to swim, and whatever else they need to do.

As for the piercings and what all, it varies. It's fairly common, but it's not expected that you have them. I have no tattoos and no piercings and I get along just fine.

Thanks! I guess I've got to get out more...