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More paranoid ranting [very political]

#1 Post by Bob Juch » Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:27 pm

"[D]emocracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy
that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man's
life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every
one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination
of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers
of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the
capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few."

-- John Adams (An Essay on Man's Lust for Power, 29 August 1763)

Reference: Original Intent, Barton (338); original The Papers of
John Adams, Taylor, ed., vol. 1 (83)

Thanks H. Greg Badger for heads up....

Readers take note: There are videos from Constitution Hall in Philadelphia attached at the bottom of this article from an attorney general and Democrat leader of Pennsylvania who is taking Obama to court! Obama will Not produce his real birth certificate. It is now almost certain that Obama is NOT a US citizen...this is the latest on the story.....

Obama is NOT a natural born US citizen and accordingly cannot lawfully occupy the presidency!

This is coming from a lifelong Democrat. NOTE: FactCheck.org which thinks otherwise, is an organization that was run by Obama, its opinion is by an African-American woman who worked for Bill Moyers. Obama just happened to be FactCheck's director, so you may think there is no conflict of interest.

Obama's grandmother was in the delivery room in Kenya in 1961 when Obama was born -- and attests to the fact here:

http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

Second story below: Obama stole the primary votes from Hillary, and her valid claim to the presidency too, with voter fraud, election manipulation, threats and coercion...Obama's campaign is a huge criminal enterprise! Here is the story:
http://www.firesociety.com/forum/thread ... 86D49AF63F
REMEMBER friends: Watch the videos on the bottom!

From WorldPress: http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/1 ... formation/
Barack Hussein Obama II
By Judah Benjamin, Guest Author
It has been asserted by a number of sources, including Andy Martin, that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in Hawaii. Philip Berg's Latest Motion to the Court is more explicit since it gives an exact Place of Birth. I must assume that Berg did not simply pluck the Location out of thin air, Mombasa has more than one Hospital, though Coast Provincial General was the best in 1961.
British Birth Certificates have a Standard Format which has been more or less the same since 1837 and they can only be challenged in a British Court. Kenyan Law is explicit and can only be challenged in a Kenyan Court. Indonesian Law is explicit and can only be challenged in an Indonesian Court. Be clear, if Obama was born in Kenya this is not simply a matter for the US Courts, or US Law.
If he was born in Kenya, and his parents were Legally Married [which on the Preponderance of Evidence they were, his father's first "Marriage" being a Tribal, or Village, Marriage, which was not Legally Recognized] due to the age of his mother he would NOT have been a US Citizen. The Immigration and Nationality Act 1952, 8 U.S.C. 1401. Sec. 301 (g) [Effective November 14, 1986] does not apply, nor does Title III, Immigration and Nationality Act Section 309. [8 U.S.C. 1409].
Unless he has taken the Oath of Allegiance as a Naturalized Citizen since he was 18 years old, and if he was born in Mombasa, Kenya, Barack Hussein Obama II would not be a US Citizen, period. The issue of whether or not he was Natural Born under Article II of the Constitution of the United States would cease to matter and he would need to be Deported as an Illegal Alien.
Impeachment as a Senator would seem not to be necessary since he would never Legally have been one, but Diane Feinstein and the members of the Senate Ethics and Rules Committee would be liable to Impeachment. So would their opposite numbers in the Illinois Senate and the appropriate officials of the Illinois State Supreme Court and Bar, so far as I can see.
If Senator Barack Hussein Obama II was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7.24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, he is not a Natural Born Citizen of these United States and he never was. Philip J Berg, Esq, is correct, under the Nationality Act of 1940, as Revised June 1952 and in accord with United States of America vs Cervantes-Nava 281 F 3d 501 (2002) and Drozd vs INS, 155 F 3d 81, 85-88 (2d Circuit 1998) Senator Barack Hussein Obama II would not ever have been a Legal US Citizen at all, unless he was Naturalized.
If he was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya any Certificate, or Certification of Live Birth, issued for him by the State of Hawaii is a Fraudulent and Illegal Document. At Birth he would have been a UK and Colonies Citizen and in accord with the Kenyan Constitution he would have become a Kenyan Citizen in December 1963. He would not have been a US Citizen.
Alternatively, his UK and Colonies Birth Certificate issued in Mombasa in August 1961 could be a Fraudulent and Illegal Document. The two BCs would need to be compared. By this I mean the Original Vault Copy of the Hawaiian Birth Certificate and not the Amended, Post Adoption, Copy, Legally available to the Senator, assuming he was, as indicated by the Preponderance of Evidence, Adopted by Lolo Soetoro. This case might also need to go through the UK and Kenyan Courts and becomes a Matter of International Law and Controversy.
If Barack Hussein Obama II was born at The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, it is certain that he is not Eligible to hold the Offices of POTUS or VPOTUS and highly probable that he is not Legally entitled to hold the Office of Senator either and that he was not Eligible to be an Illinois State Senator.
In that event the Senate Ethics and Rules Committee, Chair Diane Feinstein, have a problem because they are responsible for the Certification of a Candidate's Compliance with Constitutional Requirements, a job they would have conspicuously failed to do. Should he be Elected the poisoned Chalice would pass to Nancy Pelosi because as Speaker of the House she, and the House, have the Responsibility to ensure that the President Elect can Effectively be Sworn In and Legally Assume the Office and Duties of the President.
Be very clear here, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born at The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, Diane Feinstein's Committee have already failed in their Duty, as has every Secretary of State in the Union.
Let me repeat myself, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, he is not a Natural Born Citizen of these United States and he never was, he is not even a Citizen by Birth. I had assumed ab initio that Obama was born in Hawaii and that his Hawaiian Paperwork was basically "on the up and up", I could not conceive that a lie of this magnitude was possible, I thought that the INS would have caught on long since. If he is a US Citizen under these circumstances his Oath of Allegiance must be on Record somewhere. If it isn't he is not a US Citizen.
Hawaii may Legally be able to Issue a Birth Certificate under these circumstances, according to their own Code, but it would breach of International and Federal Law if they have. It would breach Hawaiian Law if the Place of Birth is spurious.
"[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate."
So by that section he could get a certificate claiming Hawaiian birth even if he was physically born outside the US but the Place of Birth would need to be correctly recorded.
Understand, the Hawaiian Authorities may be able to Issue a Hawaiian Birth Certificate under these circumstances but they cannot make you a US Citizen. A child born in Kenya to and underage US Female and a UK and Colonies Citizen in 1961 was not born a US Citizen under any US Federal Law, under British Law, or International Law. The only way such an Individual could be a US Citizen in terms of the XIVth Amendment, or any Statute, or Code of US Federal Law is by Naturalization.
Under Common Law no Person can Testify as to their own Place of Birth, this is established Law upheld by stare decisis. Therefore it would be possible, even given the he was born in Kenya, for Obama to claim that he believed a Hawaiian Birth Certificate made him a US Citizen under the XIVth Amendment and that therefore he was acting in Good Faith running for an Office which he was Constitutionally Incapable of Holding. Unfortunately for him, his actions in regard to the Admission of his UK & Colonies and Kenyan Citizenships and his Indonesian Citizenship by Adoption, his frequent apparent Breaches of the Logan Act, his probable breaches of the Hobbs Act, the Hatch Act, USC Title 18 Part One Chapter 63 § 1346 and the RICO Statute make this Defense wholly Untenable, especially when one considers the fact that he holds a JD from Harvard Law. One may throw in the Misprision Statute for good measure. It is difficult to find any action or statement of Obama's since 1992 that could be used to suggest Good Faith could be used as a Defense in this Case. I am not saying that Obama is Guilty of any of these Felonies or High Misdemeanors, only that his actions and pronouncements are such as to lead to a reasonable suspicion that he may be.
Under INA §349 "2. taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof after having attained the age of eighteen years." This is an "Expatriating Clause", if you hold Dual Citizenship and do this you void your US Citizenship. Well Obama campaigned actively for Odinga in Kenya and apparently also took some kind of Luo Tribal Loyalty Oath. He may also have joined Odinga's party. Of course his Dual Nationality lapsed in 1982 but INA §349 could, perhaps, still apply here, if he was born in Mombasa. It might even be concluded that Obama was providing grounds to restore his Kenyan Citizenship by Prime Ministerial Decree, which is Legal under the Kenyan Constitution. That would certainly look Expatriating to me, but I do not know how a Court would react.
There is indirect reason to believe that this may be true. "2d Session S. RES. 511: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.: In the Senate of the United States." was Sponsored by Senator McCaskill and co-sponsored by Senators Leahy, Obama, Coburn, Clinton and Webb. Why? Why were Democratic Senators trying to pass a Resolution making Senator McCain undoubtedly Legally Eligible when this issue had already been cleared up in 2000 and again in 2004? And why did Senators McCaskill and Obama reportedly insert the following Clause?
"Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;"
This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain and the following Clause, which it is reported McCaskill and Obama attempted to REMOVE shows that:
"; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936:"
It seems clear that McCaskill and Obama were attempting to create a blanket Resolution covering ALL Foreign Born candidates. Why do that if not to benefit a Foreign Born Democratic Candidate, who did not have a US Military background?
McCain did not need this resolution, Richardson did not need this Resolution, so far as I can see nobody needed this Resolution unless somebody in the race was born outside the USA and was "Covering his/her Ass" and the only individual in the race that that could apply to was Senator Obama! This in turn would show that the Senator is a liar who has been peddling untruths about his birth for at least 16 years!
Likewise it would explain why Michelle Obama tried trawling the "very single mother" canard. Were he illegitimate there is precedent and Statute that says if his parents were unmarried at the time of his birth he would have become a Citizen of the USA at Birth under Title III of the Immigration and Nationality Act Section 309. [8 U.S.C. 1409]. However, as Miller v Albright, 523 US 420 (1998) demonstrates there is, and was, a split in the Supreme Court as to whether this Law is in fact Constitutional under the XIVth Amendment. A new case might change the precedent. For now it stands.
I do not insist that any of this is true and to me it makes little difference if it is, I hold him Ineligible anyway and have seen no solid Legal Rebuttal of my view from any source, but if he was born in Kenya he has, and can have, no defense of any description and any Document he has from Hawaii is Fraudulent on several levels. To hold the Office of POTUS one must be a Natural Born United States Citizen, if he was born in Mombasa Obama probably isn't even a United States Citizen much less Natural Born. He would be guilty of Fraud and a list of other offenses and any and all persons who had aided him would be guilty of Misprision, in all probability.
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Clinton supporters sharing evidence for RICO case against Obama campaign: Polls you see are frauds...!

If you haven't been a regular here at HillBuzz, you might not know about Gigi Gaston's documentary "We Will Not Be Silenced" on the caucus fraud deliberately orchestrated by the Obama campaign during the primaries. Voter intimidation, registration fraud, vandalism, threats of violence, you name it, Obama's supporters did it. For veterans of the McGovern '72 campaign who remembered thugs and hooligans engaged in similar tactics in service of their own far left candidate, the actions of Obama's followers were so bad that even people who've lived through the last 36 years of ups and downs in America testified that this is the worst thing they've ever seen happen to our democracy.
Gaston's documentary continues to gather testimonials from people across the country — and we have word now that the people behind these efforts to document what Obama did during the primaries are also cooperating with law enforcement in an investigation into the Obama campaign's efforts to undermine the true will of the people in the general election.
Republicans and centrist Democrats are joined together on this effort to get the truth out about Obama before the November election. We firmly believe in McCain's victory and do not believe it hinges on any developments with RICO. The polls, in our opinon, are wrong, and the internal numbers we see coming out of NC, VA, PA, OH, IN and FL show McCain wins in all of those states (there is no mathematical possibility for Obama to win without taking PA, OH, or FL). We believe after McCain's win there will be a continued prosecution of Obama and members of the Democratic party for voter fraud under RICO statutes in the months and years ahead. ACORN and leftist Democrats have gone too far this time — for years ACORN has engineered deliberate election fraud using taxpayer dollars funneled to it by Democrats. This time, with both Democrats and Republicans joined against them, ACORN Is going down…and we believe it will ultimately take Obama, Axelrod, and most of today's Democratic leadership down with it.
What we have talked about here on HillBuzz, and what other stories like the one posted below have also noted, is just the tip of the iceberg. We have no idea what is going on behind closed doors: only what we observe in the news and what people more closely involved relate to us.
People leave comments here saying, "What's the update? What's the update? What's the update?". Well, there won't be an update on this every day. We luck out and are told things, and we happily share them as soon as they make sense to us. Sometimes things fall in our lap, like noticing the story at the bottom of this post — which gives us the idea to make a few calls of our own — and that confirms things we've suspected, but can then write about fully.
There IS a RICO investigation of ACORN and the Obama campaign underway - this has now been established by the mainstream media. Right now it's rumored here in Chicago that Patrick Fitzgerald is heading it (confirmation on that has not come yet). There is a lot of activity in Chicago right now, with a lot of IRS agents looking into the finances coming in and out of this city, and across state lines (this was established on Monday when the GOP issued emergency press releases that much of Obama's campaign contributions could very well be illegal foreign contributions - what appears to be deliberately poor record keeping designed to hide the true identities and monetary sources of online donors is at issue here). We see in 15 states now that ACORN is being busted for attempted voter fraud, and for fraudulent, illegal voter registratons in the hundreds of thousands, if not a million. The article below states, and we have confirmed this with people who know for sure, that the people who gathered evidence of Obama's fraud and voter intimidation techniques during the primaries against Hillary Clinton are sharing everything they have with the Republican Party and the federal government.
What's happening here is something we have never seen before: centrist Clinton Democrats and Republicans are working together to expose the DNC and Obama campaign's illegal activities and orchestrated, coordinated fraud. Both parties are working with federal agents to investigate ACORN, which has been funded with upwards of $800,000 in questionable donations from the Obama campaign (in what appears to be the expressed and explicit direction to engineer voter fraud in the general election). The tactics being employed now in the 15 states currently under investigation are the VERY SAME TACTICS we saw on the ground in Iowa, Texas, Colorado, Nebraska, Indiana, and other states working for Hillary Clinton in the primaries.
And all of this ties back to Chicago.
Where the Obama campaign and DNC are now based.
Where people we know tip us off to little things to pay attention to that, when pieced together with all the other little pieces that are revealing themselves, leads to a single conclusion: there will be indictments for all of this.
We don't know when they will come — but they will come. There is just too much here to ignore.
"Why didn't the federal government get involved in the primaries?", some people ask in comments. Well, we aren't lawyers, but someone told us yesterday that the primaries are party affairs and are not governed by federal election laws. We're sure a legal scholar will comment on this and set us straight. The parties set the rules for their primaries…but the general election IS governed by federal election law. This is why Florida and Michigan were allowed to be such a mess for Democrats, and why Donna Brazile and Howard Dean got away with taking delegates away from Hillary Clinton and giving them, unearned, to Obama for Michigan: no federal agency had any ability to step in and ensure a fair resolution of the Michigan and Florida votes. This was 100% in the hands of the Democratic party, which intended to award Obama its nomination since 2004. The party never intended to allow Hillary Clinton to win this thing — they always wanted Obama, and the party thus turned a deaf ear to our constant and repeated complaints of voter fraud, intimidation, and other thuggery by the Obama campaign from January through June.
That means, technically, nothing Obama did during the primaries was illegal…if our understanding of election law is true and political party primaries are not safeguarded under federal law. Tthe things his campaign is orchestrating now, however, ARE violations of the law.
Thus, all the evidence Clinton supporters and Republicans have gathered of fraud and voter intimidation during the primaries establishes the pattern of behavior that's allowing RICO investigators to clearly discern a national conspiracy, rooted in Chicago, to hijack this election and defraud the will of the people. It's all background information, with the RICO case seemingly evolving from the 15 separate investigations now underway in all states busting ACORN offices.
The Obama campaign, meanwhile, is in damage control mode, trying to amend FEC filings to erase ACORN from all of its paperwork — including claiming the $800,000 the Obama campaign paid ACORN for voter fraud (including registering the dead and enlisting homeless people and college kids to illegally multi-vote in multiple states or multiple intrastate polling places) was actually awarded to an unrelated, though wholly owned, subsidiary of ACORN.
The media, which risked all its credibility betting on an Obama win, will not report any of this because when Obama falls, he will take America's faith in journalism with him. Democrats, especially, will never trust the media again, since they will come to realize they lost a sure shot at taking back the White House with Hillary Clinton, because the media wanted to run an Obama campaign, and Howard Dean and Donna Brazile were all too pleased to oblige. Republicans never trusted the media to begin with — so chalk that up, surprisingly, to yet another thing centrist Democrats now agree with Republicans on.
All of this is still developing and we do not know how many more breaks in this story will come before November 4th. We do detect a purposeful breaking of something new in this story every few days. Monday was the reports of illegal contributions to the Obama campaign from overseas that tied into the $800,000 given to ACORN by Obama. On Wednesday, all Hell broke lose in 15 states with ACORN offices left and right busted for massive voter fraud operations. We don't know about other cities, but lawyers here in Chicago are talking about something BIG going down. On in-trade, someone short-sold Obama and bought $140,000 in shares for a McCain win on November 4th, dropping Obama's intrade price from roughly $75/share to $64/share or so.
When a storm is coming, some know, some don't. The ones that know do odd things that make sense only in retrospect. Right now, we are noticing a lot of odd things and are piecing this together as best we can to see patterns emerging.
Whenever a storm brews for Obama, the media ratchets up its cheerleading, and those in the tank for him do whatever they can to protect him. That's why we've also noticed the polling companies changing their party ID samples in the last two or three weeks, upping Democrats' party ID to 50% in some polls, and dropping Republicans down to just 20%, with 30% Independent. If you look at this critically, you'd see that Democrats have never enjoyed more than a 4% historical party ID advantage. In 2006, a year that Democrats RAGED against both Bush and the sex-scandal plagued GOP (Mark Foley, Larry Craig, and other characters), Democrats had just a 3% party ID advantage. All of this means polls should be using samples with 39% Democrats, 35% Republican, and 26% Independent.
The polling samples are manipulated to give Obama higher poll numbers than he really in fact has, as reflective of support in the electorate. Some people believe this is all being done as cover for the voter fraud — so that Obama polls higher than he should in states where ACORN's activities are meant to pump illegal votes in to push him much higher than he would be in an actual, legitimate election. The polls, in essence, are thus showing that ACORN is expected to deliver that 11% party ID advantage to Democrats, by bringing the dead, ineligible felons, and homeless multi-voters to the voting booths. The polls thus seem rigged to produce the results Obama wants…and ACORN is the muscle to make sure results are delivered to match the established polls.
That's one theory.
Another is that the polling companies and networks are working independent of the Obama campaign, but that the networks, which fund the polls, demand good Obama poll numbers because those drive ratings. MSNBC, in particular, will most likely go under when Obama loses — they are so in the tank for his campaign, and are behind so much of the mischief of the past year, that when Obama loses we are certain Jeff Zucker, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, and others will lose their jobs, with the network collapsing a year or two later. MSNBC is already in last place. Republicans and centrist Democrats won't touch it. The only people left watching it are Obama supporters (or sadomasochistic Eeyores who enjoy watching propaganda engineered specifically to depress them,and in turn cause them to depress everyone around them with "We're all doomed! Obama is unstoppable! The TV told me this and now I need be constantly reassured otherwise so I will drain the energy from all those around me!" woe). Obama supporters disappear when MSNBC is not providing enough cheerleading for him. And Obama supporters are all MSNBC has left.
So, in our opinion, the media and the polls are linked, since both depend on Obama followers remaining loyal viewers, never becoming disillusioned in his campaign. His support in polls is thus inflated for network business reasons, with Potemkin Vilage idiots like Matthews and Olbermann reading from Jeff Zucker's predictably pro-Obama script. Manupulation and propaganda like this happen all the time.
We can't think of a more classic modern example of this than "Baghdad Bob" during the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, when American tanks rolled into the city, right behind Bob, on camera, who would assure journalists that Saddam Hussein was winning and that Americans would never conquer the country. Americans were nowhere to be seen! Except right behind you, in that column of tanks that just almost ran you over, Bob.
Every time we hear pro-Obama cheerleading that he's winning Virginia and North Carolina and Ohio and Pennsylvania, we hear the rumble of those tanks in Baghdad again…and know what's going to happpen on November 4th. McCain will win all the states the media claims Obama's leading in…the very same way Hillary Clinton won California, New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, Ohio, Texas, Indiana, South Dakota, and Pennsylvania: all states the media insisted Clinton would lose.
We have seen this movie before.
We know how all of this ends.
The only thing we're left guessing at is what the finished product of "We Will Not Be Silenced" will look like. Gigi Gaston is working incredibly hard on what we believe will be one of the most important films released next year. It will NOT be completed before the election. No one ever planned to make a movie about democracy-threatening fraud this year, so understand this film is being made as quickly as possible.
But, read the article below for more on this…and remember, before you ask repeatedly "What's the update? What's the update? What's the update?" that we're not the only ones who can play detective. Ask questions yourself. Get on the phone and call the governors in your state and ask them what's being done about voter fraud, what's being done to stop Obama from subverting the will of the people in this election. If you find out anything, head over to www.HillaryClintonForum.net and post it so the 5,000 campaign veterans there can read it and get the information out to others.
Instead of constantly asking "What's the update?" or demanding people hold your hand, get off your butt and help get to the bottom of all this. If you are so damn curious, then start calling your local news stations and demanding to know what they are doing about investigating all of this rampant fraud engineered to help Obama. Call NBC and keep calling into you get through to Jeff Zucker. Call every sponsor you see advertising on NBC and MSNBC and tell them you will stop using their products because they support the Obama propaganda machine. That's sure as Hell more helpful than asking "What's the update?" ad nauseum.
If Obama can win this thing fair and square in an honest election, then so be it — we don't believe he honestly can. Those of us who have been on the ground for Hillary Clinton the last 2 years haven't seen much honesty come out of the Obama Nation.
Have sure seen a lot of fraud, though.
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

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#2 Post by ne1410s » Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:43 pm

OMG!! What a waste of bytes.
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#3 Post by kayrharris » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:26 pm

ne1410s wrote:OMG!! What a waste of bytes.
Amen, brother!!! Sheesh...
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#4 Post by NellyLunatic1980 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:33 pm

Where is that damn deceased equine?

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