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#51 Post by smilergrogan » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:53 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:She indicated that she had received comments or suggestions from people about the possibly burning books
Maybe the librarian didn't understand because she was speaking German.


Ok, four posts in one day. That's it for me - I'm exhausted.

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#52 Post by danielh41 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:07 pm

I have a Master's degree in library science, and I worked as a librarian in New York and in Texas. I'm against censorship of books, and yet, I fail to see the issue here. Palin asked the librarian about the idea of banning books. I'm sure the librarian gave her the American Library Association response. So what?

We're arguing over a simple question that Palin had about book banning policy, and yet Obama is closely associated with ACORN, an organization whose representatives have committed repeated acts of voter fraud. I guess the liberal think that looking into a question about removing a book from a library is far more serious than registering hundreds of make believe people to vote (as long as those make believe people vote for Democrats).

The disparity in media coverage over the librarian issue versus Obama's ties with ACORN is stunning.

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#53 Post by SportsFan68 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:19 pm

danielh41 wrote: The disparity in media coverage over the librarian issue versus Obama's ties with ACORN is stunning.
I wouldn't say stunning, but there is a disparity. Googling palin librarian gets 886,000 hits. obama acorn gets 1,170,000.
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#54 Post by danielh41 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:26 pm

SportsFan68 wrote:
danielh41 wrote: The disparity in media coverage over the librarian issue versus Obama's ties with ACORN is stunning.
I wouldn't say stunning, but there is a disparity. Googling palin librarian gets 886,000 hits. obama acorn gets 1,170,000.
I went to news.google.com and did a search for Palin librarian (1312 items) and a search for Obama ACORN (552 items). And given the seriousness of removing a book from a library versus multiple counts of voter fraud, I would say that that is stunning.

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#55 Post by SportsFan68 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:40 pm

danielh41 wrote:
SportsFan68 wrote:
danielh41 wrote: The disparity in media coverage over the librarian issue versus Obama's ties with ACORN is stunning.
I wouldn't say stunning, but there is a disparity. Googling palin librarian gets 886,000 hits. obama acorn gets 1,170,000.
I went to news.google.com and did a search for Palin librarian (1312 items) and a search for Obama ACORN (552 items). And given the seriousness of removing a book from a library versus multiple counts of voter fraud, I would say that that is stunning.
Google news is only for the past month, unless you ask for the archives.

The archives list 131 for palin librarian, most of them not about the Governor, judging from the first page of hits. Add Kilkenny in to that and you get zero. You get 331 for obama acorn, all of them about the subject matter at hand, again judging from the first page of hits.

In other words, between the recent sensationalism, gossip, and Kilkenny forwarding, those 1,312 hits are probably just a flash in approximately the correct proportions of non-media coverage.

What's really stunning is the amount of time and energy DanielH and I are putting in on this. :D
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#56 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:51 pm

Bob78164 wrote: This account is flatly contradicted by the contemporaneous story linked above by ShamelessWeasel (which quotes the librarian in question). And I've never seen it offered anywhere, by Palin or anyone else with knowledge. --Bob
The article also quotes Palin, which was omitted in the excerpt that appeared here:
In the wake of strong reactions from the city's library director to inquiries about censorship, Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin on Monday was taking pains to explain her questions about censoring library material were “rhetorical.”

The issue became public last Wednesday, when Palin brought it up during an interview about the now-defunct Liquor task Force. Palin used the library topic as an example of discussions with her department heads about understanding and following administration agendas. Palin said she asked Emmons how she would respond to censorship.

Palin said Monday she had no particular books or other material in mind when she posed the questions to Emmons. Palin said in a written statement she was only trying to get aquatinted with her staff at the time. “Many issues were discussed, both rhetorical and realistic in nature,” Palin added.

Asked who she thought might picket the library, Palin said Monday, “Had no one in mind ... again, the issue was discussed in the context of a professional question being asked in regards to library policy.

“All questions posed to Wasilla's library director were asked in the context of professionalism regarding the library policy that is in place in our city. Obviously the issue of censorship is a library question... you ask a library director that type of question,” Palin said
I quoted selectively, just as the portion in the original post was.

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#57 Post by ShamelessWeasel » Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:46 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Bob78164 wrote: This account is flatly contradicted by the contemporaneous story linked above by ShamelessWeasel (which quotes the librarian in question). And I've never seen it offered anywhere, by Palin or anyone else with knowledge. --Bob
The article also quotes Palin, which was omitted in the excerpt that appeared here:
In the wake of strong reactions from the city's library director to inquiries about censorship, Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin on Monday was taking pains to explain her questions about censoring library material were “rhetorical.”

The issue became public last Wednesday, when Palin brought it up during an interview about the now-defunct Liquor task Force. Palin used the library topic as an example of discussions with her department heads about understanding and following administration agendas. Palin said she asked Emmons how she would respond to censorship.

Palin said Monday she had no particular books or other material in mind when she posed the questions to Emmons. Palin said in a written statement she was only trying to get aquatinted with her staff at the time. “Many issues were discussed, both rhetorical and realistic in nature,” Palin added.

Asked who she thought might picket the library, Palin said Monday, “Had no one in mind ... again, the issue was discussed in the context of a professional question being asked in regards to library policy.

“All questions posed to Wasilla's library director were asked in the context of professionalism regarding the library policy that is in place in our city. Obviously the issue of censorship is a library question... you ask a library director that type of question,” Palin said
I quoted selectively, just as the portion in the original post was.
To be clear I cut and pasted the first few paragraphs as I usually do along with the link to the full article. I was not in any way trying to leave part of the article off.

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#58 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:19 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:The article also quotes Palin.
And that quote wholly fails to support your explanation. She didn't explain her actions the way you claim she did. --Bob
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