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SSS and Hillary,

#1 Post by wbtravis007 » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:15 am

sittin in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g.

Forget about tea-leaves and polls. If you really want to know for sure who's gonna win, pay close attention to how hard the Clintons work. Not because they will affect the outcome -- (although hard work by them would certainly help) -- but because if you see them working you'll know that they think that the outcome is inevitable.

I hate to say that about them, but people like SSS have convinced me that this is true. I really think that they hope that he will lose, and have done everything that they think that they can get away with to cause that to happen.

Look at the land mines that they planted once they realized that she was probably going to lose -- the praise of John McCain re: his readiness an experience and the 3:00 a.m. stuff.

If they're campaigning hard, put all in.

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#2 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:42 am

Hillary had the right idea as to how to go after Sarah Palin, but she was completely ignored.

Bill Clinton had a legacy that any candidate should have been able to easily use to contrast with what Bush has done the last eight years (and been a powerful campaign force), but Obama trashed that.

I do think Hillary is already planning to pick up the pieces as majority leader in the Senate next year.

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#3 Post by BackInTex » Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:28 am

silverscreenselect wrote:Hillary had the right idea as to how to go after Sarah Palin, but she was completely ignored.

Bill Clinton had a legacy that any candidate should have been able to easily use to contrast with what Bush has done the last eight years (and been a powerful campaign force), but Obama trashed that.

I do think Hillary is already planning to pick up the pieces as majority leader in the Senate next year.
And to challenge the incumbent VP Palin in 2012 for a run at the Presidency.
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#4 Post by ToLiveIsToFly » Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:17 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:Hillary had the right idea as to how to go after Sarah Palin, but she was completely ignored.

Bill Clinton had a legacy that any candidate should have been able to easily use to contrast with what Bush has done the last eight years (and been a powerful campaign force), but Obama trashed that.

I do think Hillary is already planning to pick up the pieces as majority leader in the Senate next year.
Likely being majority leader would kill whatever chance she had at being President someday.

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#5 Post by wbtravis007 » Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:21 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:Hillary had the right idea as to how to go after Sarah Palin, but she was completely ignored.

Bill Clinton had a legacy that any candidate should have been able to easily use to contrast with what Bush has done the last eight years (and been a powerful campaign force), but Obama trashed that.

I do think Hillary is already planning to pick up the pieces as majority leader in the Senate next year.
What was Hillary's idea about Palin?

I think that Bill's done more to trash his legacy during this campaign than Obama could ever do even if he wanted to.

If they were to sit this out, and Obama were to lose, Obama would go back to the Senate, along with a lot of other Democrats who busted their tails during the campaign. Something tells me that they might not be inclined to vote for Hillary.

They're smart enough to realize this.

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#6 Post by ne1410s » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:31 pm

Likely being majority leader would kill whatever chance she had at being President someday.
Don't tell LBJ. Oh, wait, he's dead.
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#7 Post by silverscreenselect » Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:15 am

wbtravis007 wrote: If they were to sit this out, and Obama were to lose, Obama would go back to the Senate, along with a lot of other Democrats who busted their tails during the campaign. Something tells me that they might not be inclined to vote for Hillary.

They're smart enough to realize this.
There will be a lot of internal bloodletting in the Democratic party when the Democrats lose this election. And most of it will be directed towards Obama, Dean, and Brazile. Harry Reid and Pelosi will get their share of the blame as well for the ridiculous way Congress has devolved in the last two years.

Hillary has done everything that could be expected of her, a lot more than losing candidates in previous nominations have ever done, and many of her supporters have been bullied and humiliated by Obama people every step of the way.

Hillary had a lot of support and barely lost. Everything her supporters warned about has come true so far. They are still in her corner. The people who have something to answer about are the ones who supported Obama.

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#8 Post by wbtravis007 » Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:42 am

silverscreenselect wrote:
wbtravis007 wrote: If they were to sit this out, and Obama were to lose, Obama would go back to the Senate, along with a lot of other Democrats who busted their tails during the campaign. Something tells me that they might not be inclined to vote for Hillary.

They're smart enough to realize this.
There will be a lot of internal bloodletting in the Democratic party when the Democrats lose this election. And most of it will be directed towards Obama, Dean, and Brazile. Harry Reid and Pelosi will get their share of the blame as well for the ridiculous way Congress has devolved in the last two years.

Hillary has done everything that could be expected of her, a lot more than losing candidates in previous nominations have ever done, and many of her supporters have been bullied and humiliated by Obama people every step of the way.

Hillary had a lot of support and barely lost. Everything her supporters warned about has come true so far. They are still in her corner. The people who have something to answer about are the ones who supported Obama.
It would be kind of funny if it wasn't so pathetic, this assertion by you and the others who "are still in her corner," the PUMA's (the name itself proclaims the goal -- to lose), that you are fighting an honorable battle to save the country from the Democratic ticket and to save the Party. Man, talk about hollow!

If Obama were to lose, you and those others would not be hailed for the wisdom of your prophecy or rewarded. You would not be respected. You would be blamed, because of your strenuous efforts to fullfill that prophecy, and you'd be deeply resented. You'd deserve and would experience about as much good will within the Party as that other sore-loserman, Joe "Mentum" Lieberman. And the intended beneficiary of y'all's efforts would not be rewarded, either.

And, the Party would be deeply divided for a long, long time. This cleansing of the Party that you purport to be attempting to achieve simply cannot happen, period, whether the election is won or lost.

Everybody understood the attack-dog strategy while the race was on. To continue with it now, though, coupled with working overtime to promote and defend a Republican ticket that you know very well you would ridicule if Hillary had won, and to expect and predict that y'all will be rewarded for that, suggests that y'all have become downright crazy.

I mean by that this: you might need help.

Thank God it's not going to matter anyway.

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