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#1 Post by Beebs52 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:57 pm

If you're gonna impeach grow half a pair and just do it.
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#2 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:31 pm

Let's finish collecting the evidence demonstrating that he deserves impeachment, and then let's hold public hearings putting that evidence in front of the American people so they can see for themselves whether he deserves impeachment and removal. Then it'll be time to take the formal step.

I'm not sure what your hurry is. The Nixon impeachment took more than a year and it never got as far as a vote of the full House to impeach him -- he resigned first. --Bob
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#3 Post by Beebs52 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:38 pm

Bob78164 wrote:Let's finish collecting the evidence demonstrating that he deserves impeachment, and then let's hold public hearings putting that evidence in front of the American people so they can see for themselves whether he deserves impeachment and removal. Then it'll be time to take the formal step.

I'm not sure what your hurry is. The Nixon impeachment took more than a year and it never got as far as a vote of the full House to impeach him -- he resigned first. --Bob
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#4 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:42 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:Let's finish collecting the evidence demonstrating that he deserves impeachment, and then let's hold public hearings putting that evidence in front of the American people so they can see for themselves whether he deserves impeachment and removal. Then it'll be time to take the formal step.

I'm not sure what your hurry is. The Nixon impeachment took more than a year and it never got as far as a vote of the full House to impeach him -- he resigned first. --Bob
There ya go. Blahblahblah.
You have a problem with taking the time to collect the evidence? You have a problem with putting the evidence in front of the American people so they can make an informed decision?

This isn't about having half a pair -- we already know that most Democrats in Congress have more courage and integrity than Cadet Bone Spurs. This is about treating the process with the gravity it deserves. --Bob
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#5 Post by Bob Juch » Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:40 pm

Beebs52 wrote:If you're gonna impeach grow half a pair and just do it.
Yes, let's lynch him.
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#6 Post by T_Bone0806 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:52 am

Maybe I should have intuited that this was a political thread but I am not always so intuitive, and as long as I'm here, and before the inevitable personal insults begin, this slightly left-of-center individual would like to offer my opinion.

Every bit of evidence needs to be gathered and put forth before the American people, as already noted here. To go in half-ass is playing right into Trump's hopes of continuing to play the martyr. Not that his most ardent supporters will ever entertain any notion that he is not our morally upright political savior, but perhaps a well presented case will open a few eyes...a sloppy case will just result in sympathy from those who haven't made up their mind. I do not see the Senate removing Trump from office, so the final judge would be the American people in 2020...thus the need to clearly and definitively spell out the reasons why this man should not be our wannabe dictator for another four years. Hopefully enough people will actually pay enough attention that they can make an informed decision.

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#7 Post by BackInTex » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:00 am

T_Bone0806 wrote: How many smoke alarms have to go off before we realize there just MAY be a fire?
If the kids in the House would quit pulling the alarms to get out of doing their work we would have a better view of whether there is a fire or not.
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#8 Post by jarnon » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:16 am

The House is moving towards impeachment at breakneck speed IMHO. But if Beebs52 hopes they’ll get done with it and move on, she’ll be disappointed. Multiple investigations by other House committees and law enforcement agencies are nowhere near done, and they’ll continue for years. (The final report on Clinton’s 2013 emails was released this week.)
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#9 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:16 am

trump's coming on TV in a few minutes. Let's see how deeper he digs his hole.
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#10 Post by tlynn78 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:56 am

Bob78164 wrote:
Beebs52 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:Let's finish collecting the evidence demonstrating that he deserves impeachment, and then let's hold public hearings putting that evidence in front of the American people so they can see for themselves whether he deserves impeachment and removal. Then it'll be time to take the formal step.

I'm not sure what your hurry is. The Nixon impeachment took more than a year and it never got as far as a vote of the full House to impeach him -- he resigned first. --Bob
There ya go. Blahblahblah.
You have a problem with taking the time to collect the evidence? You have a problem with putting the evidence in front of the American people so they can make an informed decision?

This isn't about having half a pair -- we already know that most Democrats in Congress have more courage and integrity than Cadet Bone Spurs. This is about treating the process with the gravity it deserves. --Bob

Did you cut and paste that from the Kavanaugh thread?
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#11 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:07 am

Bob Juch wrote:trump's coming on TV in a few minutes. Let's see how deeper he digs his hole.
So he takes credit for stopping a war he started. :evil:
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#12 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:14 am

I got an idea. Let's have an election and let the people decide, instead of letting the democrats use their power for personal political purposes.
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#13 Post by BackInTex » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:23 am

Bob Juch wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:trump's coming on TV in a few minutes. Let's see how deeper he digs his hole.
So he takes credit for stopping a war he started. :evil:
What war did Trump start?
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#14 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:39 am

Bob Juch wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:trump's coming on TV in a few minutes. Let's see how deeper he digs his hole.
So he takes credit for stopping a war he started. :evil:
OK, so you've now admitted be stopped the war. No going back on that, unless it starts up again. Middle East countries have a history of breaking cease fire agreements.

I believe we've just pulled our troops out of the area. Turkey started the attacks, not us. Those are two FACTS. Dispute them.

Maybe we can agree that stopping a war, no matter what your OPINION of who started it, is a good thing, not an evil thing?

Let's hope the Turks and Kurds do not start fighting again.

My problem is still what actions russia, china and iran will take because of the withdrawal.
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#15 Post by christie1111 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:16 am

T_Bone0806 wrote:Maybe I should have intuited that this was a political thread but I am not always so intuitive, and as long as I'm here, and before the inevitable personal insults begin, this slightly left-of-center individual would like to offer my opinion.

Every bit of evidence needs to be gathered and put forth before the American people, as already noted here. To go in half-ass is playing right into Trump's hopes of continuing to play the martyr. Not that his most ardent supporters will ever entertain any notion that he is not our morally upright political savior, but perhaps a well presented case will open a few eyes...a sloppy case will just result in sympathy from those who haven't made up their mind. I do not see the Senate removing Trump from office, so the final judge would be the American people in 2020...thus the need to clearly and definitively spell out the reasons why this man should not be our wannabe dictator for another four years. Hopefully enough people will actually pay enough attention that they can make an informed decision.

How many smoke alarms have to go off before we realize there just MAY be a fire?
Weighing in in a political thread. Sigh.

I am with T-Bone on this. If it doesn't get done right then it won't get done and people will not know as many fact as can be obtained. At least i a reasonable amount of time. In the mean time, he is just gather more rope, not for a lynching but to hang himself. A BTW, I found his use of that word unforgivable.
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#16 Post by BackInTex » Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:32 am

christie1111 wrote:
T_Bone0806 wrote:Maybe I should have intuited that this was a political thread but I am not always so intuitive, and as long as I'm here, and before the inevitable personal insults begin, this slightly left-of-center individual would like to offer my opinion.

Every bit of evidence needs to be gathered and put forth before the American people, as already noted here. To go in half-ass is playing right into Trump's hopes of continuing to play the martyr. Not that his most ardent supporters will ever entertain any notion that he is not our morally upright political savior, but perhaps a well presented case will open a few eyes...a sloppy case will just result in sympathy from those who haven't made up their mind. I do not see the Senate removing Trump from office, so the final judge would be the American people in 2020...thus the need to clearly and definitively spell out the reasons why this man should not be our wannabe dictator for another four years. Hopefully enough people will actually pay enough attention that they can make an informed decision.

How many smoke alarms have to go off before we realize there just MAY be a fire?
Weighing in in a political thread. Sigh.

I am with T-Bone on this. If it doesn't get done right then it won't get done and people will not know as many fact as can be obtained. At least i a reasonable amount of time. In the mean time, he is just gather more rope, not for a lynching but to hang himself. A BTW, I found his use of that word unforgivable.
My (our) issue is that the "investigating" began at 2:30AM EST on 11/9/2016. And it hasn't stopped. What they have investigated has changed, many many times. When does it stop? When will the duly elected President get to be President, unimpeded by political hackism? It is obvious to anyone that these investigations have one purpose, and it is not to determine the truth, but to get Trump out of Hillary's White House. Sure, there may be a little fire where you see smoke, but most of the smoke over the last 3 years has only been what the DNC and Democrats have been blowing up the American citizens' collective ass.
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#17 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:15 pm

christie1111 wrote:
T_Bone0806 wrote:Maybe I should have intuited that this was a political thread but I am not always so intuitive, and as long as I'm here, and before the inevitable personal insults begin, this slightly left-of-center individual would like to offer my opinion.

Every bit of evidence needs to be gathered and put forth before the American people, as already noted here. To go in half-ass is playing right into Trump's hopes of continuing to play the martyr. Not that his most ardent supporters will ever entertain any notion that he is not our morally upright political savior, but perhaps a well presented case will open a few eyes...a sloppy case will just result in sympathy from those who haven't made up their mind. I do not see the Senate removing Trump from office, so the final judge would be the American people in 2020...thus the need to clearly and definitively spell out the reasons why this man should not be our wannabe dictator for another four years. Hopefully enough people will actually pay enough attention that they can make an informed decision.

How many smoke alarms have to go off before we realize there just MAY be a fire?
Weighing in in a political thread. Sigh.

I am with T-Bone on this. If it doesn't get done right then it won't get done and people will not know as many fact as can be obtained. At least i a reasonable amount of time. In the mean time, he is just gather more rope, not for a lynching but to hang himself. A BTW, I found his use of that word unforgivable.
See the other thread for a discussion of the words 'lynch' and 'lynching', christie.

I am with BiT on this one. When will they stop investigating and come to a conclusion? Do you think they ever will? And several entities are investigating the people who are doing the never-ending investigations to see what their motives and methods are based on. Will the results of those investigations be given equal status in the list of 'as many facts as can be obtained'? I hear a lot of smoke alarms going off in that direction.

And, BTW, in what way is he being a dictator? Because partisan hacks that have your ear have accused him of that? What evidence do you have to support that accusation? Please be specific.

PS: and furthermore, A lot of the people who are leading this partisan charade of impeaching trump have been in their positions since Bill Clinton was President, or even before. A president can only serve 8 years at most and must put themselves up for re-election after 4 years. (Unless the opposition party successfully impeaches them for purely political reasons.Then it will happen EVERY election. Dems never worry about establishing dangerous precedents.) These senators and congress people (on both sides of the aisle, btw) keep their positions for life. (I am as much against the McConnells and McCains as I am the Pelosis and Schumers). Who are the dictators here?
When trump decides he can run for a third term, then I will concede your point.

Another point: Even if one of the multiple investigations does come up with a credible charge against the president, half the country won't believe it because of all the other nonsensical and petty claims the dems have put up the flagpole to see if anyone salutes it. You can only cry wolf so many times.
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#18 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:43 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:I got an idea. Let's have an election and let the people decide, instead of letting the democrats use their power for personal political purposes.
Hmmm. Wasn't an election how the Democrats acquired the power to impeach Donny? --Bob
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#19 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:52 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:I got an idea. Let's have an election and let the people decide, instead of letting the democrats use their power for personal political purposes.
Hmmm. Wasn't an election how the Democrats acquired the power to impeach Donny? --Bob
Hmmmm. I hadn't heard they took the senate. It would be pretty hard to impeach and convict him without many votes in the senate.

So that's why democrats won seats. To impeach the president? So you admitted it. No taking it back. Pretty partisan thing to do. I guess the next time a democrat president is elected with a republican congress, the republicans are duty bound and have precedent to undo the election simply because they didn't like the result. And then YOU'LL cry about it.
But I'm sure your prediction that the republican party will be gone in a couple of years will come true. They will probably all be lynched or something. So you still have hope.

Now I thought I heard some dem or another say they could walk and chew gum at the same time. All they seem to be doing is chewing gum.
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flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:I got an idea. Let's have an election and let the people decide, instead of letting the democrats use their power for personal political purposes.
Hmmm. Wasn't an election how the Democrats acquired the power to impeach Donny? --Bob
Hmmmm. I hadn't heard they took the senate. It would be pretty hard to impeach and convict him without many votes in the senate.

So that's why democrats won seats. To impeach the president? So you admitted it. No taking it back. Pretty partisan thing to do. I guess the next time a democrat president is elected with a republican congress, the republicans are duty bound and have precedent to undo the election simply because they didn't like the result. And then YOU'LL cry about it.
But I'm sure your prediction that the republican party will be gone in a couple of years will come true. They will probably all be lynched or something. So you still have hope.

Now I thought I heard some dem or another say they could walk and chew gum at the same time. All they seem to be doing is chewing gum.
Read what I said. I didn't say that's why they took it. I said that's a result of them taking it. And I'm pretty sure that the American people were well aware when they were voting that the House has that power. --Bob
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#21 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:59 pm

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flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:Hmmm. Wasn't an election how the Democrats acquired the power to impeach Donny? --Bob
Hmmmm. I hadn't heard they took the senate. It would be pretty hard to impeach and convict him without many votes in the senate.

So that's why democrats won seats. To impeach the president? So you admitted it. No taking it back. Pretty partisan thing to do. I guess the next time a democrat president is elected with a republican congress, the republicans are duty bound and have precedent to undo the election simply because they didn't like the result. And then YOU'LL cry about it.
But I'm sure your prediction that the republican party will be gone in a couple of years will come true. They will probably all be lynched or something. So you still have hope.

Now I thought I heard some dem or another say they could walk and chew gum at the same time. All they seem to be doing is chewing gum.
Read what I said. I didn't say that's why they took it. I said that's a result of them taking it. And I'm pretty sure that the American people were well aware when they were voting that the House has that power. --Bob
You are saying that every dem vote cast was made to facilitate impeachment?
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#22 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:26 pm

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flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Hmmmm. I hadn't heard they took the senate. It would be pretty hard to impeach and convict him without many votes in the senate.

So that's why democrats won seats. To impeach the president? So you admitted it. No taking it back. Pretty partisan thing to do. I guess the next time a democrat president is elected with a republican congress, the republicans are duty bound and have precedent to undo the election simply because they didn't like the result. And then YOU'LL cry about it.
But I'm sure your prediction that the republican party will be gone in a couple of years will come true. They will probably all be lynched or something. So you still have hope.

Now I thought I heard some dem or another say they could walk and chew gum at the same time. All they seem to be doing is chewing gum.
Read what I said. I didn't say that's why they took it. I said that's a result of them taking it. And I'm pretty sure that the American people were well aware when they were voting that the House has that power. --Bob
You are saying that every dem vote cast was made to facilitate impeachment?
No, I'm saying that no one is surprised that real oversight, with impeachment as a possible consequence, was a result of their vote. And given that polling now has more than 50% of the public supporting impeachment and a plurality supporting removal, I don't think the people who installed the Democratic majority have a problem with how this is being handled.

I think most people voted Democratic because Republicans' economic policies on both taxes and health care truly suck. --Bob
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#23 Post by Beebs52 » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:38 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Beebs52 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:Read what I said. I didn't say that's why they took it. I said that's a result of them taking it. And I'm pretty sure that the American people were well aware when they were voting that the House has that power. --Bob
You are saying that every dem vote cast was made to facilitate impeachment?
No, I'm saying that no one is surprised that real oversight, with impeachment as a possible consequence, was a result of their vote. And given that polling now has more than 50% of the public supporting impeachment and a plurality supporting removal, I don't think the people who installed the Democratic majority have a problem with how this is being handled.

I think most people voted Democratic because Republicans' economic policies on both taxes and health care truly suck. --Bob
But but Hilz was supposed to win. What to impeach then? Snicker
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#24 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:15 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:I got an idea. Let's have an election and let the people decide, instead of letting the democrats use their power for personal political purposes.
Do you mean the 56% who want trump impeached should vote him out of office instead of relying on their representatives?
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#25 Post by BackInTex » Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:01 am

Bob Juch wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:I got an idea. Let's have an election and let the people decide, instead of letting the democrats use their power for personal political purposes.
Do you mean the 56% who want trump impeached should vote him out of office instead of relying on their representatives?
Fortunately a large portion of that 56% can't, don't, or won't vote.
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