The authoritative when-to on impeachment
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The authoritative when-to on impeachment
In 1974, House Judiciary Committee members worked jointly to produce this report on when impeachment is appropriate. It was used in 1974 when the House considered Nixon's impeachment, and again in 1998, when the House did impeach Bill Clinton, so it appears still to have bipartisan imprimatur.
Crucially, the report quite clearly concludes that impeachment historically has not been, and should not be, limited to criminal acts. See the discussion on page 12 of the historical meaning of "high misdemeanors." --Bob
Crucially, the report quite clearly concludes that impeachment historically has not been, and should not be, limited to criminal acts. See the discussion on page 12 of the historical meaning of "high misdemeanors." --Bob
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Re: The authoritative when-to on impeachment
Did this just come through the batphone or did you just want to share this with us as a random thought in your head?Bob78164 wrote:In 1974, House Judiciary Committee members worked jointly to produce this report on when impeachment is appropriate. It was used in 1974 when the House considered Nixon's impeachment, and again in 1998, when the House did impeach Bill Clinton, so it appears still to have bipartisan imprimatur.
Crucially, the report quite clearly concludes that impeachment historically has not been, and should not be, limited to criminal acts. See the discussion on page 12 of the historical meaning of "high misdemeanors." --Bob
So, what does the spokesperson for the very vocal insane minority specifically want to impeach the president for?
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Re: The authoritative when-to on impeachment
Nothing Bob posts is random. He saw this somewhere and brought it forward. However, after reading page 12 on his recommendation, I do believe our previous president could have been impeached for several things, especially for allowing Fast & Furious. He should have at least been threatened with impeachment to pressure him to hold Holder accountable.flockofseagulls104 wrote: Did this just come through the batphone or did you just want to share this with us as a random thought in your head?
So, what does the spokesperson for the very vocal insane minority specifically want to impeach the president for?
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Re: The authoritative when-to on impeachment
And the King of Whataboutistan speaks again.BackInTex wrote:Nothing Bob posts is random. He saw this somewhere and brought it forward. However, after reading page 12 on his recommendation, I do believe our previous president could have been impeached for several things, especially for allowing Fast & Furious. He should have at least been threatened with impeachment to pressure him to hold Holder accountable.flockofseagulls104 wrote: Did this just come through the batphone or did you just want to share this with us as a random thought in your head?
So, what does the spokesperson for the very vocal insane minority specifically want to impeach the president for?
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Re: The authoritative when-to on impeachment
I don't mind being called that because 'what about' is a good tool to show the hypocrisy of others. Those that cry "whataboutism" are typically hypocrites who can't support a position on the merits because they've already excused whatever those merits were previously. However, the above comment is not a whatbout.Bob Juch wrote:And the King of Whataboutistan speaks again.BackInTex wrote:Nothing Bob posts is random. He saw this somewhere and brought it forward. However, after reading page 12 on his recommendation, I do believe our previous president could have been impeached for several things, especially for allowing Fast & Furious. He should have at least been threatened with impeachment to pressure him to hold Holder accountable.flockofseagulls104 wrote: Did this just come through the batphone or did you just want to share this with us as a random thought in your head?
So, what does the spokesperson for the very vocal insane minority specifically want to impeach the president for?
..what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms.
~~ Thomas Jefferson
War is where the government tells you who the bad guy is.
Revolution is when you decide that for yourself.
-- Benjamin Franklin (maybe)
~~ Thomas Jefferson
War is where the government tells you who the bad guy is.
Revolution is when you decide that for yourself.
-- Benjamin Franklin (maybe)
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Re: The authoritative when-to on impeachment
In this case it's an important part of the materials the House Judiciary Committee is relying on right now, so yes, I think it's relevant to present-day discussions.BackInTex wrote:Nothing Bob posts is random. He saw this somewhere and brought it forward. However, after reading page 12 on his recommendation, I do believe our previous president could have been impeached for several things, especially for allowing Fast & Furious. He should have at least been threatened with impeachment to pressure him to hold Holder accountable.flockofseagulls104 wrote: Did this just come through the batphone or did you just want to share this with us as a random thought in your head?
So, what does the spokesperson for the very vocal insane minority specifically want to impeach the president for?
And the memo recognizes an important distinction between just doing a bad job (meaning a job Congress disagrees with) and using the power of the office corruptly. --Bob
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Re: The authoritative when-to on impeachment
.... like instructing or allowing the IRS to target political opponents and the DOJ to spy on political opponents based on known false premises. Got it.Bob78164 wrote:In this case it's an important part of the materials the House Judiciary Committee is relying on right now, so yes, I think it's relevant to present-day discussions.BackInTex wrote:Nothing Bob posts is random. He saw this somewhere and brought it forward. However, after reading page 12 on his recommendation, I do believe our previous president could have been impeached for several things, especially for allowing Fast & Furious. He should have at least been threatened with impeachment to pressure him to hold Holder accountable.flockofseagulls104 wrote: Did this just come through the batphone or did you just want to share this with us as a random thought in your head?
So, what does the spokesperson for the very vocal insane minority specifically want to impeach the president for?
And the memo recognizes an important distinction between just doing a bad job (meaning a job Congress disagrees with) and using the power of the office corruptly. --Bob
..what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms.
~~ Thomas Jefferson
War is where the government tells you who the bad guy is.
Revolution is when you decide that for yourself.
-- Benjamin Franklin (maybe)
~~ Thomas Jefferson
War is where the government tells you who the bad guy is.
Revolution is when you decide that for yourself.
-- Benjamin Franklin (maybe)
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Re: The authoritative when-to on impeachment
President Obama did neither. Nothing false about the premises of the investigation of Donny's campaign. Mueller's report proved that. And it was the federal judiciary that approved the FISA warrants.BackInTex wrote:.... like instructing or allowing the IRS to target political opponents and the DOJ to spy on political opponents based on known false premises. Got it.Bob78164 wrote:In this case it's an important part of the materials the House Judiciary Committee is relying on right now, so yes, I think it's relevant to present-day discussions.BackInTex wrote:
Nothing Bob posts is random. He saw this somewhere and brought it forward. However, after reading page 12 on his recommendation, I do believe our previous president could have been impeached for several things, especially for allowing Fast & Furious. He should have at least been threatened with impeachment to pressure him to hold Holder accountable.
And the memo recognizes an important distinction between just doing a bad job (meaning a job Congress disagrees with) and using the power of the office corruptly. --Bob
On the other hand, Donny fired the guy who was investigating him, because he was investigating him. That's a textbook case of obstruction of justice, and it's certainly a corrupt use of the power of the office.
To the extent the IRS targeted conservative organizations, President Obama neither instructed nor allowed that to happen. As opposed to Donny's DoJ opening an antitrust investigation into automakers for agreeing with the State of California to increase their gas mileage. --Bob
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Re: The authoritative when-to on impeachment
That would be hilariously funny except for the fact you do get to vote and there are probably a some people that think you know what you're talking about and that you actually believe it.Bob78164 wrote:President Obama did neither. Nothing false about the premises of the investigation of Donny's campaign. Mueller's report proved that. And it was the federal judiciary that approved the FISA warrants.BackInTex wrote:.... like instructing or allowing the IRS to target political opponents and the DOJ to spy on political opponents based on known false premises. Got it.Bob78164 wrote:In this case it's an important part of the materials the House Judiciary Committee is relying on right now, so yes, I think it's relevant to present-day discussions.
And the memo recognizes an important distinction between just doing a bad job (meaning a job Congress disagrees with) and using the power of the office corruptly. --Bob
On the other hand, Donny fired the guy who was investigating him, because he was investigating him. That's a textbook case of obstruction of justice, and it's certainly a corrupt use of the power of the office.
To the extent the IRS targeted conservative organizations, President Obama neither instructed nor allowed that to happen. As opposed to Donny's DoJ opening an antitrust investigation into automakers for agreeing with the State of California to increase their gas mileage. --Bob
..what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms.
~~ Thomas Jefferson
War is where the government tells you who the bad guy is.
Revolution is when you decide that for yourself.
-- Benjamin Franklin (maybe)
~~ Thomas Jefferson
War is where the government tells you who the bad guy is.
Revolution is when you decide that for yourself.
-- Benjamin Franklin (maybe)
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Re: The authoritative when-to on impeachment
President Obama did neither.
You don't know that. There's no way you could know that. Finally being genuinely investigated. And, hopefully not by a gaggle of democrat lawyers. And hopefully not polluted by DC politics. But it probably it will be.Certainly, there are questions that people who don't have closed minds want answers to. You know, the deplorables and trump fan boys.
What exactly did Mueller prove? PROVE BWBJ, It's a word, it means something. Mueller did not prove anything. He did not have the authority to prove anything. What the fuck kind of lawyer are you? (I know the answer, it was just a rhetorical question). Let's wait until the report on the fisa warrants comes out before you define what the facts are...Nothing false about the premises of the investigation of Donny's campaign. Mueller's report proved that. And it was the federal judiciary that approved the FISA warrants.
On the other hand, Donny fired the guy who was investigating him, because he was investigating him.
Really? When was that PROVEN? As far as I know there were dozens of reasons Comey should have been canned months before he was. Ask any of the democrat leaders who were calling for it. But we've gone over that before. You just, like always, believe your opinion is fact.
Really. BWBJ? Did he do even 1 thing to stop the Mueller investigation? Name one. When was it stopped? I missed that one.That's a textbook case of obstruction of justice, and it's certainly a corrupt use of the power of the office.
When I think of corrupt use of his power of office, I think of Jerry Nadler. Did you ever hear of his conversations overheard on a train? Probably not.
https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/07/in ... r-perjury/
He, like you, vowed to unseat the president even before he took office. But there are no corrupt democrats, are there, BWBJ?
To the extent the IRS targeted conservative organizations, President Obama neither instructed nor allowed that to happen.
How the hell do you know? As for allowing it to happen, he certainly did. Anyone face any consequences for it? Not that I know of.
. I don't know anything about this. I'm sure it was a batphone thing. Not very sexy. Musta been a slow day.As opposed to Donny's DoJ opening an antitrust investigation into automakers for agreeing with the State of California to increase their gas mileage
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