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Re: On Coronavirus: The Italian Numbers are of interest

#26 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:57 am

silverscreenselect wrote:
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You are not the solution to anything. You are the problem.
No, Trump is the problem and you apologize and excuse him every single time and think he should be given a free pass because it's Democrats and the liberal media who point out his faults. The CDC's funding to fight pandemic diseases was cut under Trump as was the health security arm of the National Security Council.

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Re: On Coronavirus: The Italian Numbers are of interest

#27 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:09 am

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I had planned on taking a trip to Italy this year. I will keep looking and see if the prices come down.
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#28 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:05 am

The thing I find amazing is that President Canute thinks he can control the spread of the virus and stop the stock market drop.
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Re: On Coronavirus: The Italian Numbers are of interest

#29 Post by Bob78164 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:49 am

Bob78164 wrote:
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Here are some answers to my own questions:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... vs-the-flu

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronav ... h-flu.html

https://www.livescience.com/56598-deadl ... earth.html

My opinion is that compared to previous outbreaks of new viruses, from what we know so far, I think we are over-reacting. I will take the prescribed precautions of frequent washing and disinfecting, but I'm not going out and stocking up on toilet paper. I had planned on taking a trip to Italy this year. I will keep looking and see if the prices come down. I will have no problem going once the panic is over.

People who are germ paranoid should stay home and not inflict their paranoia on everyone else, though.
The virus can make a lot of people sick enough to require hospitalization. Many of those people will need some sort of oxygen or respiratory therapy to survive their illness. The primary public danger is that so many people will get sick so fast that we won't have enough hospital beds and won't be able to provide respiratory or oxygen therapy to those who need it.

So even though it's already too late to contain the virus, it's really important to slow its spread so that our medical resources can keep up. And that's what these seemingly drastic measures are designed to do. Once we are in position to have enough test kits available that testing is no longer bottlenecked (something a competent federal government would have been on top of, as other nations are demonstrating), it may become prudent to loosen up some of the more drastic social distancing measures.

But I continue to believe you have no clue just how fast an exponential growth curve can overwhelm national resources, or just how many people are likely to become, not just ill, but seriously ill from this virus. --Bob
Here's a good illustration of why slowing the spread of the disease (flattening the curve) is so fucking important:

Image

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#30 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:06 pm

From National Review, definitely not one of the liberal media that Flock thinks is out to get Trump:
It is important that the president’s defenders not be blinded by partisanship of their own into excusing failures of leadership and diminishing the danger of the epidemic itself. This can be particularly difficult because some of the most significant inadequacies of the administration have been the president’s own. So far in this crisis, Donald Trump himself has obviously failed to rise to the challenge of leadership, and it does no one any favors to pretend otherwise.

The failures of leadership at the top, however, show no sign of being corrected. In a serious public-health crisis, the public has the right to expect the government’s chief executive to lead in a number of crucial ways: by prioritizing the problem properly, by deferring to subject-matter experts when appropriate while making key decisions in informed and sensible ways, by providing honest and careful information to the country, by calming fears and setting expectations, and by addressing mistakes and setbacks.

Trump so far hasn’t passed muster on any of these metrics. He resisted making the response to the epidemic a priority for as long as he could — refusing briefings, downplaying the problem, and wasting precious time. He has failed to properly empower his subordinates and refused to trust the information they provided him — often offering up unsubstantiated claims and figures from cable television instead. He has spoken about the crisis in crude political and personal terms. He has stood in the way of public understanding of the plausible course of the epidemic, trafficking instead in dismissive clichés. He has denied his administration’s missteps, making it more difficult to address them.

This presidential behavior is all too familiar. It is how he has gotten through scandals and fiascos for more than three years in office. But those were all essentially political in nature, and most were self-created. The country has been lucky in the Trump era, largely avoiding the sorts of major, unforeseen crises that make the greatest demands of the modern presidency. That luck has now run out, and this demands a new level of seriousness from the president and those around him.
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#31 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:15 pm

I just saw a news clip where an airline agent said, "If you have a temperature, you won't be allowed on the plane." :lol:
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Re: On Coronavirus: The Italian Numbers are of interest

#32 Post by mrkelley23 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:09 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:49 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:21 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:52 pm
Here are some answers to my own questions:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... vs-the-flu

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronav ... h-flu.html

https://www.livescience.com/56598-deadl ... earth.html

My opinion is that compared to previous outbreaks of new viruses, from what we know so far, I think we are over-reacting. I will take the prescribed precautions of frequent washing and disinfecting, but I'm not going out and stocking up on toilet paper. I had planned on taking a trip to Italy this year. I will keep looking and see if the prices come down. I will have no problem going once the panic is over.

People who are germ paranoid should stay home and not inflict their paranoia on everyone else, though.
The virus can make a lot of people sick enough to require hospitalization. Many of those people will need some sort of oxygen or respiratory therapy to survive their illness. The primary public danger is that so many people will get sick so fast that we won't have enough hospital beds and won't be able to provide respiratory or oxygen therapy to those who need it.

So even though it's already too late to contain the virus, it's really important to slow its spread so that our medical resources can keep up. And that's what these seemingly drastic measures are designed to do. Once we are in position to have enough test kits available that testing is no longer bottlenecked (something a competent federal government would have been on top of, as other nations are demonstrating), it may become prudent to loosen up some of the more drastic social distancing measures.

But I continue to believe you have no clue just how fast an exponential growth curve can overwhelm national resources, or just how many people are likely to become, not just ill, but seriously ill from this virus. --Bob
Here's a good illustration of why slowing the spread of the disease (flattening the curve) is so fucking important:

Image

--Bob
Never thought I'd see the day when a graphical analysis term would be trending on Twitter: #flatteningthecurve
For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled. -- Richard Feynman

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