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Re: Donny retaliates against Col. Vindman

#26 Post by Beebs52 » Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:21 pm

Bob Juch wrote:
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Here's actual whistleblower stuff.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/241262/
Before BobJ claims whataboutism!!!!
Trump didn't fire a whistleblower. He fired an employee.
You're claiming that Obama was wrong for doing what trump did?
You're not as clever as you think you are.
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Re: Donny retaliates against Col. Vindman

#27 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:25 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
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flockofseagulls104 wrote:
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Bob Juch wrote:
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You're claiming that Obama was wrong for doing what trump did?
The MSM is lying that he got fired. He was removed from his station at the White House. He was not fired. Sondland is a civilian. He is being recalled.
Just a little more fake news there. Put it on the list of 30, 000 media lies.
A retaliatory change of work responsibilities is just as bad as outright firing someone.

And he was, in fact, fired from his position on the National Security Council. For no other reason than that Donny didn't like the truthful testimony he gave when compelled to do so. We all knew that Donny would run the government like a Mafia fiefdom. What's horrifying is that so many voters, like you, are so in the tank for Donny that they're cheering him on as he does it. --Bob
Col Vindman was detailed to the NSC and his detail was scheduled to end in July. He was not fired from anything. But, once again, even if he was, the president has every right to determine the staff of the NSC and any other agency he is in charge of.
"In the tank" is a relative term, and it is more appropriate for people like you that abandon all reason in your all consuming hatred of one man.

In reality, it's probably the best thing trump could do for the guy. He is now a hero and martyr to the left. He will have a show on CNN or MSLSD on demand. He will have a lucrative future in your bubble.
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Re: Donny retaliates against Col. Vindman

#28 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:35 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:25 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:06 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:56 pm


The MSM is lying that he got fired. He was removed from his station at the White House. He was not fired. Sondland is a civilian. He is being recalled.
Just a little more fake news there. Put it on the list of 30, 000 media lies.
A retaliatory change of work responsibilities is just as bad as outright firing someone.

And he was, in fact, fired from his position on the National Security Council. For no other reason than that Donny didn't like the truthful testimony he gave when compelled to do so. We all knew that Donny would run the government like a Mafia fiefdom. What's horrifying is that so many voters, like you, are so in the tank for Donny that they're cheering him on as he does it. --Bob
Col Vindman was detailed to the NSC and his detail was scheduled to end in July. He was not fired from anything. But, once again, even if he was, the president has every right to determine the staff of the NSC and any other agency he is in charge of.
"In the tank" is a relative term, and it is more appropriate for people like you that abandon all reason in your all consuming hatred of one man.

In reality, it's probably the best thing trump could do for the guy. He is now a hero and martyr to the left. He will have a show on CNN or MSLSD on demand. He will have a lucrative future in your bubble.
That's like saying that because employment is at-will, your boss can fire you for giving truthful testimony under oath. He can't. --Bob
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Re: Donny retaliates against Col. Vindman

#29 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:17 pm

I posted this previously. It started a new page and I thought it hadn't been submitted.
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#30 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:21 pm

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Re: Donny retaliates against Col. Vindman

#31 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:13 pm

Bob Juch wrote:
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The EPA has fired regional administrator Michael Stoker, who’s dismissal was personal and based on his good working relationship with Democrats.
That was 2 days ago and the batphone's opinion, without any evidence, doesn't count.
My opinion, which counts as little as yours, is maybe, without any evidence, they found a leaker.
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Re: Donny retaliates against Col. Vindman

#32 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:20 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:35 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:25 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:06 pm
A retaliatory change of work responsibilities is just as bad as outright firing someone.

And he was, in fact, fired from his position on the National Security Council. For no other reason than that Donny didn't like the truthful testimony he gave when compelled to do so. We all knew that Donny would run the government like a Mafia fiefdom. What's horrifying is that so many voters, like you, are so in the tank for Donny that they're cheering him on as he does it. --Bob
Col Vindman was detailed to the NSC and his detail was scheduled to end in July. He was not fired from anything. But, once again, even if he was, the president has every right to determine the staff of the NSC and any other agency he is in charge of.
"In the tank" is a relative term, and it is more appropriate for people like you that abandon all reason in your all consuming hatred of one man.

In reality, it's probably the best thing trump could do for the guy. He is now a hero and martyr to the left. He will have a show on CNN or MSLSD on demand. He will have a lucrative future in your bubble.
That's like saying that because employment is at-will, your boss can fire you for giving truthful testimony under oath. He can't. --Bob
Um, bobby, he wasn't fired. That is fake news, bobby, no matter how many times you repeat it. He wasn't demoted as far as I know. He wasn't court martialed. He received no reprimand or punishment as far as I have seen reported. He was taken off his current detail and reassigned, bobby. That, by anyone's definition, except Fulla's, is not being fired. But Fulla will probably make up a story that he was taken to the rose garden and shot in the back seven times.And you will believe it because you are in the tank.
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Re: Donny retaliates against Col. Vindman

#33 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:08 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:20 pm
Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:35 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:25 pm


Col Vindman was detailed to the NSC and his detail was scheduled to end in July. He was not fired from anything. But, once again, even if he was, the president has every right to determine the staff of the NSC and any other agency he is in charge of.
"In the tank" is a relative term, and it is more appropriate for people like you that abandon all reason in your all consuming hatred of one man.

In reality, it's probably the best thing trump could do for the guy. He is now a hero and martyr to the left. He will have a show on CNN or MSLSD on demand. He will have a lucrative future in your bubble.
That's like saying that because employment is at-will, your boss can fire you for giving truthful testimony under oath. He can't. --Bob
Um, bobby, he wasn't fired. That is fake news, bobby, no matter how many times you repeat it. He wasn't demoted as far as I know. He wasn't court martialed. He received no reprimand or punishment as far as I have seen reported. He was taken off his current detail and reassigned, bobby. That, by anyone's definition, except Fulla's, is not being fired. But Fulla will probably make up a story that he was taken to the rose garden and shot in the back seven times.And you will believe it because you are in the tank.
He was on the National Security Council. Now he's not. And the reason he's not is that Donny threw him off.

He was fired from that position. And no matter how much you try to redefine the meaning of "fired," that truth will not change. --Bob
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#34 Post by silverscreenselect » Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:50 pm

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Um, bobby, he wasn't fired. That is fake news, bobby, no matter how many times you repeat it. He wasn't demoted as far as I know. He wasn't court martialed. He received no reprimand or punishment as far as I have seen reported. He was taken off his current detail and reassigned, bobby.
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#35 Post by Estonut » Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:39 am

Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:08 pm
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That's like saying that because employment is at-will, your boss can fire you for giving truthful testimony under oath. He can't. --Bob
Um, bobby, he wasn't fired. That is fake news, bobby, no matter how many times you repeat it. He wasn't demoted as far as I know. He wasn't court martialed. He received no reprimand or punishment as far as I have seen reported. He was taken off his current detail and reassigned, bobby. That, by anyone's definition, except Fulla's, is not being fired. But Fulla will probably make up a story that he was taken to the rose garden and shot in the back seven times.And you will believe it because you are in the tank.
He was on the National Security Council. Now he's not. And the reason he's not is that Donny threw him off.

He was fired from that position. And no matter how much you try to redefine the meaning of "fired," that truth will not change.
In the real world, "fired" means losing your job, not a change in position.
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#36 Post by silverscreenselect » Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:30 am

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In the real world, "fired" means losing your job, not a change in position.
In the legal world, demoting or giving someone a less desirably position is the actionable equivalent of firing. And having Vindman marched out of the White House was an unneeded humiliation. But par for the course for a President with a distrust and dislike of men and women who have served with real military distinction and a desire to honor war criminals who torture people.
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#37 Post by Spock » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:35 am

>>>"But par for the course for a President with a distrust and dislike of men and women who have served with real military distinction and a desire to honor war criminals who torture people.<<<

Yeah, Right. Soldiers aren't stupid. They know who respects them and who doesn't. They have agency. Watch how they vote in November. Maybe 2 to 1 in favor of Trump with the combat arms guys being especially heavy Trump voters.

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#38 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:35 am

silverscreenselect wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:30 am
Estonut wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:39 am
In the real world, "fired" means losing your job, not a change in position.
In the legal world, demoting or giving someone a less desirably position is the actionable equivalent of firing. And having Vindman marched out of the White House was an unneeded humiliation. But par for the course for a President with a distrust and dislike of men and women who have served with real military distinction and a desire to honor war criminals who torture people.
Is it another "right" to be on the NSC? I guess Fulla found that somewhere on his new translation of the constitition. If so, I wanna be on the NSC. The President can be sure that my only agenda will be to keep the country safe, not second guessing his policies for political purposes. I have more qualifications to be on the NSC than Hunter had to be on the board of burisma. Well, my dad isn't the VP. There is that.

Again, though I doubt it will penetrate the box your brain is in, none of this would have happened but for the corrupt scheme to impeach the president for the crime of winning the election.
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#39 Post by Bob Juch » Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:59 am

Estonut wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:39 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:08 pm
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Um, bobby, he wasn't fired. That is fake news, bobby, no matter how many times you repeat it. He wasn't demoted as far as I know. He wasn't court martialed. He received no reprimand or punishment as far as I have seen reported. He was taken off his current detail and reassigned, bobby. That, by anyone's definition, except Fulla's, is not being fired. But Fulla will probably make up a story that he was taken to the rose garden and shot in the back seven times.And you will believe it because you are in the tank.
He was on the National Security Council. Now he's not. And the reason he's not is that Donny threw him off.

He was fired from that position. And no matter how much you try to redefine the meaning of "fired," that truth will not change.
In the real world, "fired" means losing your job, not a change in position.
It also means losing your position.
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#40 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:39 am

Bob Juch wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:59 am
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Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:39 am
Bob78164 wrote:
Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:08 pm
He was on the National Security Council. Now he's not. And the reason he's not is that Donny threw him off.

He was fired from that position. And no matter how much you try to redefine the meaning of "fired," that truth will not change.
In the real world, "fired" means losing your job, not a change in position.
It also means losing your position.
Awwww. Poor guy. But he works for ME. And you. Not for anyone else. He might have had his opinion on policy, but the president is in charge of policy. If he didn't like the policy, he should have resigned. Not participate in a long standing campaign to bring down the president. He chose his side. He freely shared his opinions of the President's actions, but he didn't question the actions or motives of the Fulla committee. I don't have much sympathy for him. Sorry.
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#41 Post by silverscreenselect » Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:56 pm

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Not participate in a long standing campaign to bring down the president. He chose his side.
By "choosing your side," I guess you mean telling the truth under oath. You can't seem to grasp that what the president did was wrong. A majority of the American public know it was wrong. Trump put the clamps down to prevent even more details from getting out, but what was testified to and what has been revealed is the exact type of misconduct that worried the Founding Fathers. And a lot of people had problems with it and went through the proper channels, like Vindman. By your logic, anyone who reports a crime to the police is "choosing sides."

And I'm curious about your comment about the decades of dirty tricks the Democrats have pulled. Please provide some examples. Watergate, maybe? Oh, no, wait. That was Nixon. How about Iran Contra? Oh, no, that was Reagan.

I'm waiting to hear what comes out of your walk through the history books.
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#42 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:38 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:56 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:39 am
Not participate in a long standing campaign to bring down the president. He chose his side.
By "choosing your side," I guess you mean telling the truth under oath. You can't seem to grasp that what the president did was wrong. A majority of the American public know it was wrong. Trump put the clamps down to prevent even more details from getting out, but what was testified to and what has been revealed is the exact type of misconduct that worried the Founding Fathers. And a lot of people had problems with it and went through the proper channels, like Vindman. By your logic, anyone who reports a crime to the police is "choosing sides."

And I'm curious about your comment about the decades of dirty tricks the Democrats have pulled. Please provide some examples. Watergate, maybe? Oh, no, wait. That was Nixon. How about Iran Contra? Oh, no, that was Reagan.

I'm waiting to hear what comes out of your walk through the history books.
The President mentioned the Bidens on a phone call to someone who might know what happened. Yes, it was something construed as bad by the denizens of DC. And I could understand if Congress wanted to censure him for it. They may have even gotten a few non dem votes on that. But they were determined to use it as the grounds for impeachment somehow, so they invented crimes.
That's what Vindman participated in and seemed to love the attention he got. He knew what he was participating in.
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#43 Post by jarnon » Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:44 pm

BTW Alexander Vindman, Yevgeny Vindman and Gordon Sondland are all Jewish. Shabbat shalom.

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#44 Post by Beebs52 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:48 pm

jarnon wrote:
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BTW Alexander Vindman, Yevgeny Vindman and Gordon Sondland are all Jewish. Shabbat shalom.
Are you saying Trump is anti Jewish? That he dismissed people because of that?
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The President mentioned the Bidens on a phone call to someone who might know what happened.
You dismissed the entire pattern of events regarding the Ukraine and boiled it down to the one phone call. Life must be so easy for you when you can just ignore all the bad things that you can't account for in your simplistic narrative of the facts.

And I'm waiting for that list of immoral and unethical things the Democrats have been doing for decades that Trump has now decided to fight back against with similar tactics. I suspect that's another list that exists solely in your own mind.
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#46 Post by Beebs52 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:42 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:21 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:38 pm
The President mentioned the Bidens on a phone call to someone who might know what happened.
You dismissed the entire pattern of events regarding the Ukraine and boiled it down to the one phone call. Life must be so easy for you when you can just ignore all the bad things that you can't account for in your simplistic narrative of the facts.

And I'm waiting for that list of immoral and unethical things the Democrats have been doing for decades that Trump has now decided to fight back against with similar tactics. I suspect that's another list that exists solely in your own mind.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nation ... ering/amp/
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#47 Post by Beebs52 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:45 pm

It's misandry I tell ya!
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#48 Post by Bob Juch » Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:43 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:42 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:21 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:38 pm
The President mentioned the Bidens on a phone call to someone who might know what happened.
You dismissed the entire pattern of events regarding the Ukraine and boiled it down to the one phone call. Life must be so easy for you when you can just ignore all the bad things that you can't account for in your simplistic narrative of the facts.

And I'm waiting for that list of immoral and unethical things the Democrats have been doing for decades that Trump has now decided to fight back against with similar tactics. I suspect that's another list that exists solely in your own mind.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nation ... ering/amp/
Oh please!

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#49 Post by Beebs52 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:13 pm

Bob Juch wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:43 pm
Beebs52 wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:42 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:21 pm


You dismissed the entire pattern of events regarding the Ukraine and boiled it down to the one phone call. Life must be so easy for you when you can just ignore all the bad things that you can't account for in your simplistic narrative of the facts.

And I'm waiting for that list of immoral and unethical things the Democrats have been doing for decades that Trump has now decided to fight back against with similar tactics. I suspect that's another list that exists solely in your own mind.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nation ... ering/amp/
Oh please!

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hilla ... ssia-deal/
Snopes. All righty.
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Re: Donny retaliates against Col. Vindman

#50 Post by Bob Juch » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:30 pm

Trump publicly admits he fired White House official as retaliation for impeachment testimony: ‘He was very insubordinate’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 24971.html
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