kroxquo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:46 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:23 am
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:06 am
And we saw it the last time there was a Democratic president and a Republican Congress, when Mitch McConnell wouldn't even consider the nomination of Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court. And ever since the day he was elected, Obama was the target of Republican abuse.
So this didn't start with Trump. And you ignore the fact that large numbers of independents agree about Trump's impeachment as well.
I am an independent and I completely disagree. This partisan bullshit has got to stop.
The Garland complaint is a dead issue. We discussed that. It would have been a waste of taxpayer money. He was DOA. Just like Robert Bork. The Republicans would not allow Scalia to be replaced with a liberal justice. Period. So is this impeachment shit. A huge waste of taxpayer money.
You keep to your belief I am a member of the republican party. I am not. They are a corrupt party. I agree with you there. Their main interest is the acquiring and maintaining of power. What you don't see is that your beloved democrat party is even more corrupt. Acquiring and maintaining power is their ONLY interest.
May I ask you a question? I am not interested in throwing insults or engaging in a flame war, but I genuinely am interested in learning from the other side. What brought you to embracing conservative principles (and if I am making a mistake on that, I apologize)? For myself, I have looked at how the government has operated and come to the conclusion that government has a responsibility for caring for all its citizens and that a liberal approach is better. Moreover, how did you come to support Donald Trump? I have been baffled over the last few years as to why people are so quick to support and defend a man who has so many flaws as both a President and, in my opinion, as a basic human being.
I don't have much time to elaborate, but I'll give you the Cliff Notes.
I was, in my youth, a flaming liberal, hippie and was involved in all the causes of the left. I was against the Vietnam War, was a McGovernite, anti nuclear, moratorium, etc etc. My first Presidential vote was for Jimmah Carter when I lived in California, and so was my second. I was a Ronald Raygun-zap kinda guy. Republicans were the party of Nixon, whom I despised.
But somewhere in my 30's, I guess it was in Reagan's 2nd term, I had been out on my own, earning a living for awhile, and I started to get exposed to actual conservatives speaking about what they believed and why, not the nightly news and editorials that gave their synopsis of what conservatives believed and why. It was when I lived in Texas, actually, and it was the start of talk radio. These were local conservative talk shows, I think on WBAP. I worked at a remote Power plant and that was the only radio I could listen to when I was working. They mentioned Rush Limbaugh a lot, but he wasn't carried back then, so he wasn't part of it.
I was exposed to examples of the hypocrisy of the democrat party. And I came to learn about Reagan's disdain for big government and why. All these things that the democrats keep campaigning about, but never happen, and then they propose more 'programs' to fix the shit their previous programs caused, etc. etc. I began to actually listen to Reagan's speeches instead of ignoring them and hearing only about what commentators said about them. I became an advocate of small federal government. The government that governs best is that that governs the least. And listening to the democrats policies and proposals, it became more and more obvious that they pander to the uninformed, have no conception of unintended consequences of their policies, and their logic is questionable at best.
Two trips I made cemented my beliefs. In 1990 I made a trip to Poland and Czechoslovakia. This was when the Russians were pulling out. I saw several convoys of Russian military equipment moving east while I was there. What the Russians had done was summed up one day while I was there. Several of the 'matkas' in the home we were visiting had just seen the report on their news that the Russians had finally admitted their guilt in the Katyn Massacre, in which hundreds of the top Polish intelligentsia were slaughtered in the Katyn Forest. It had always been blamed on the Nazis, but the Russians actually did it. These older women knew some of the people who were killed. They wept as they watched their TV's. Reagan had a very prominient role in getting the Russians out of eastern europe. All the people we met and stayed with in Poland and Czechoslovakia loved America and treated us like royalty.
I also had a job that took me down to Belem, Brazil. By the waterfront there were miles of, you couldn't call them slums. They were habitations build from scrap, corrugated sheet metal. They were on both sides of a drainage 'creek' and just full of garbage and smelled to high heaven. At night, you could actually see they had TV's in them. I asked our host why people lived like this. He said they get promises from one of the political parties that was supposed to be their champion, and they keep voting that party in power, but nothing ever changes for them. It sounded familiar.
As for trump, he was down towards the bottom of my choices of the republican candidates. I did not want him to be the nominee. I thought what he did in the primary campaign was childish, immature and stupid, and I was sick that he was always the front runner. I could not even vote for him. I lived in WA state at the time, so my vote didn't count anyway. I wrote in Ted Cruz. But I would have voted for anyone over Hillary Clinton. She had no business having any power.
People like bob complained that he was a sexual predator. Maybe he was, but they defended Clinton, they idolized JFK. Another example of self serving hypocrisy. If he pulled anything in the Oval Office, he would definitely be caught. I grew up in Jersey, and I recognize and understand New York-ese. I realize he isn't the most polished person or speaker, and I cringe at some of his tweets. But he is on the correct side of most issues, and he is getting things done despite the total obstruction of his presidency by the dems and their operatives in the news media from day one. A lot of it he's doing by executive order, which I hate. But the precedent had been set by his successor. (Again, they have no conception of unintended consequences of their actions). So a lot of what he's done can be undone by the next president, but his policies seem to be working. We have a robust economy, despite Paul Krugman's predictions, which seem to be as accurate as all SSS's. The rising economic tide is raising everyone. Lowest black, hispanic and minority unemployment in recent history. Everyone seems to be content but the democrats, who complain about everything, and if they have nothing to complain about, just make things up. I will forgive him his faults as a human being. There has never been a President who was a saint. (Well maybe Obama) Over the past 3 years I see his heart, and it seems to be doing what's best for America.
This is for kroxquo. Please don't troll it. I didn't write it for you.