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#201 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:02 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: Explain to me why the MSM won't even say eric ciaramella when everyone knows who he is. They will report rumors and gossip about trump on the front page but have no interest in this guy. Why is that, bobby?
Well, perhaps it's because they respect the purpose behind whistleblower protection laws. For the same reason that they don't report names of rape victims or mob informants.

Can you grasp the concept that, legally, it doesn't matter who the whistleblower is or why he came forward? Nothing he says is being is being used as evidence. Instead, he provided leads that have since been corroborated in numerous ways, and that's what's being presented as evidence. There are a lot of people in jail today because former spouses or lovers, disgruntled employees, or rival mobsters tipped off the police. The motives of those providing the leads may not have been admirable, but the evidence proves solid.

The reason the Republicans are interested in outing this guy is to drag him through the mud, rightly or wrongly (and possibly put him and his family in danger), for the sole purpose of making future whistleblowers less likely to come forward for fear of receiving the same treatment.

And "half" the people don't believe it's another attempt to change the election. It's significantly less than half and shrinking every day thanks to the testimony that's coming out.

As Carl Sandburg once said, "If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.” You and Trump's other enablers like Nunes and Jordan are now reduced to pounding the table and yelling like hell.
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#202 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:14 am

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flockofseagulls104 wrote: Explain to me why the MSM won't even say eric ciaramella when everyone knows who he is. They will report rumors and gossip about trump on the front page but have no interest in this guy. Why is that, bobby?
Well, perhaps it's because they respect the purpose behind whistleblower protection laws. For the same reason that they don't report names of rape victims or mob informants.

Can you grasp the concept that, legally, it doesn't matter who the whistleblower is or why he came forward? Nothing he says is being is being used as evidence. Instead, he provided leads that have since been corroborated in numerous ways, and that's what's being presented as evidence. There are a lot of people in jail today because former spouses or lovers, disgruntled employees, or rival mobsters tipped off the police. The motives of those providing the leads may not have been admirable, but the evidence proves solid.

The reason the Republicans are interested in outing this guy is to drag him through the mud, rightly or wrongly (and possibly put him and his family in danger), for the sole purpose of making future whistleblowers less likely to come forward for fear of receiving the same treatment.

And "half" the people don't believe it's another attempt to change the election. It's significantly less than half and shrinking every day thanks to the testimony that's coming out.

As Carl Sandburg once said, "If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.” You and Trump's other enablers like Nunes and Jordan are now reduced to pounding the table and yelling like hell.
Laws haven't stopped them before. They had no problem outing names in the Kavanaugh hearings or whenever it helps their chosen narrative or they think they can get a scoop. In fact, they dox people they don't like. Print names of gun owners etc.
Everybody knows who this guy is. Why are they pretending in this case?
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#203 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:26 am

silverscreenselect wrote: Well, perhaps it's because they respect the purpose behind whistleblower protection laws. For the same reason that they don't report names of rape victims or mob informants.

Can you grasp the concept that, legally, it doesn't matter who the whistleblower is or why he came forward? Nothing he says is being is being used as evidence. Instead, he provided leads that have since been corroborated in numerous ways, and that's what's being presented as evidence. There are a lot of people in jail today because former spouses or lovers, disgruntled employees, or rival mobsters tipped off the police. The motives of those providing the leads may not have been admirable, but the evidence proves solid.

The reason the Republicans are interested in outing this guy is to drag him through the mud, rightly or wrongly (and possibly put him and his family in danger), for the sole purpose of making future whistleblowers less likely to come forward for fear of receiving the same treatment.

And "half" the people don't believe it's another attempt to change the election. It's significantly less than half and shrinking every day thanks to the testimony that's coming out.

As Carl Sandburg once said, "If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.” You and Trump's other enablers like Nunes and Jordan are now reduced to pounding the table and yelling like hell.
flockofseagulls104 wrote: Yelling like hell (while pounding the table).
Again, what possible value is there to outing the whistleblower other than vindictiveness?
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#204 Post by jarnon » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:27 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Everybody knows who this guy is. Why are they pretending in this case?
Journalistic standards aren’t tailored to each case. Recently a young girl was missing and her name and photo were all over the news. When she was rescued (TG) the stories about it didn’t identify her. Guess what? Everyone knows who they were talking about.

Negative stories about Ciaramella make his life miserable and don’t weaken the Democrats’ case.

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#205 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:09 am

silverscreenselect wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote: Well, perhaps it's because they respect the purpose behind whistleblower protection laws. For the same reason that they don't report names of rape victims or mob informants.

Can you grasp the concept that, legally, it doesn't matter who the whistleblower is or why he came forward? Nothing he says is being is being used as evidence. Instead, he provided leads that have since been corroborated in numerous ways, and that's what's being presented as evidence. There are a lot of people in jail today because former spouses or lovers, disgruntled employees, or rival mobsters tipped off the police. The motives of those providing the leads may not have been admirable, but the evidence proves solid.

The reason the Republicans are interested in outing this guy is to drag him through the mud, rightly or wrongly (and possibly put him and his family in danger), for the sole purpose of making future whistleblowers less likely to come forward for fear of receiving the same treatment.

And "half" the people don't believe it's another attempt to change the election. It's significantly less than half and shrinking every day thanks to the testimony that's coming out.

As Carl Sandburg once said, "If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.” You and Trump's other enablers like Nunes and Jordan are now reduced to pounding the table and yelling like hell.
flockofseagulls104 wrote: Yelling like hell (while pounding the table).
Again, what possible value is there to outing the whistleblower other than vindictiveness?
Ask Kavanaugh.

I'm not pounding any table. I just see bullshit everywhere on the left. There is no here here. Or there.
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#206 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:37 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: Ask Kavanaugh.
That's as apples to oranges a comparison as I've ever heard.

The women who came forth against Kavanaugh were testifying to what he had done to them. And his fitness to be a Supreme Court justice was what was being decided.

You'll have to do better than parrot the one-liners you've been taught that you don't have any understanding of their meaning.
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#207 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:42 am

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flockofseagulls104 wrote: Ask Kavanaugh.
That's as apples to oranges a comparison as I've ever heard.

The women who came forth against Kavanaugh were testifying to what he had done to them. And his fitness to be a Supreme Court justice was what was being decided.

You'll have to do better than parrot the one-liners you've been taught that you don't have any understanding of their meaning.
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#208 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:51 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote: Ask Kavanaugh.
That's as apples to oranges a comparison as I've ever heard.

The women who came forth against Kavanaugh were testifying to what he had done to them. And his fitness to be a Supreme Court justice was what was being decided.

You'll have to do better than parrot the one-liners you've been taught that you don't have any understanding of their meaning.
Not so much. The women who 'came forward' were used by the dem party for political purposes and have all been discredited.
That is what your faction does time after time.
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#209 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:57 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote: Ask Kavanaugh.
That's as apples to oranges a comparison as I've ever heard.

The women who came forth against Kavanaugh were testifying to what he had done to them. And his fitness to be a Supreme Court justice was what was being decided.

You'll have to do better than parrot the one-liners you've been taught that you don't have any understanding of their meaning.
Not so much. The women who 'came forward' were used by the dem party for political purposes and have all been discredited.
That is what your faction does time after time.
Eric C. needs to be vetted, but the MSM won't do it. They are not interested.
If by discredited you mean their accounts were dismissed after a failure to investigate them properly, then I guess you're right. We saw it with Anita Hill in the 1990s. I thought and hoped we'd do better this time around. I was disappointed. --Bob
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#210 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:26 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:
That's as apples to oranges a comparison as I've ever heard.

The women who came forth against Kavanaugh were testifying to what he had done to them. And his fitness to be a Supreme Court justice was what was being decided.

You'll have to do better than parrot the one-liners you've been taught that you don't have any understanding of their meaning.
Not so much. The women who 'came forward' were used by the dem party for political purposes and have all been discredited.
That is what your faction does time after time.
Eric C. needs to be vetted, but the MSM won't do it. They are not interested.
If by discredited you mean their accounts were dismissed after a failure to investigate them properly, then I guess you're right. We saw it with Anita Hill in the 1990s. I thought and hoped we'd do better this time around. I was disappointed. --Bob
Oh. We didn't investigate them properly? Why was that, exactly? Did the MSM not have enough motivation to investigate it properly? Did they just lose interest?
Bobby, you need to broaden your perspectives. Don't just accept what you hear in your bubble. Ask yourself questions.
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#211 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:38 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote: Not so much. The women who 'came forward' were used by the dem party for political purposes and have all been discredited.
That is what your faction does time after time.
Eric C. needs to be vetted, but the MSM won't do it. They are not interested.
If by discredited you mean their accounts were dismissed after a failure to investigate them properly, then I guess you're right. We saw it with Anita Hill in the 1990s. I thought and hoped we'd do better this time around. I was disappointed. --Bob
Oh. We didn't investigate them properly? Why was that, exactly? Did the MSM not have enough motivation to investigate it properly? Did they just lose interest?
Bobby, you need to broaden your perspectives. Don't just accept what you hear in your bubble. Ask yourself questions.
Such as how many potential witnesses was the FBI prevented from interviewing? (Almost all of them.) --Bob
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#212 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:05 pm

https://mobile-reuters-com.cdn.ampproje ... SKBN1XO1HK

Damn those ukrainians. They're all liars. Kent and Taylor heard from somebody else who know someone who swears they know the real truth. Schiff knows that and is trying his best the save The Future Of Our Democracy.

Tell me bobby, If there was extorsion going on, why didn't Zelensky bring the subject up once in the three times he met with Taylor after the phone call? Doesn't the victim of extorsion need to be aware of it? What's the batphone answer to that?

And who decides what our diplomatic policy should be? Elected officials or lifelong bureaucrats? And why does diplomatic policies have to be "normal"?

More questions you won't answer.
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#213 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:16 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:If by discredited you mean their accounts were dismissed after a failure to investigate them properly, then I guess you're right. We saw it with Anita Hill in the 1990s. I thought and hoped we'd do better this time around. I was disappointed. --Bob
Oh. We didn't investigate them properly? Why was that, exactly? Did the MSM not have enough motivation to investigate it properly? Did they just lose interest?
Bobby, you need to broaden your perspectives. Don't just accept what you hear in your bubble. Ask yourself questions.
Such as how many potential witnesses was the FBI prevented from interviewing? (Almost all of them.) --Bob
Oh really, bobby? Was Strzok still available at that time to head the investigation? I forget. How about Comey?
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#214 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:32 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:https://mobile-reuters-com.cdn.ampproje ... SKBN1XO1HK

Damn those ukrainians. They're all liars. Kent and Taylor heard from somebody else who know someone who swears they know the real truth. Schiff knows that and is trying his best the save The Future Of Our Democracy.
This would be more effective if the guy you're quoting had actually been foreign minister at the time the phone call took place. Instead, he assumed the position a month later. Here's the guy who was foreign minister at the time: "Mr. Klimkin said, Ukrainian officials were at the least keenly aware of the stakes — a trade of United States assistance for political favors, even as Mr. Trump’s supporters have insisted they should not have viewed relations in this light. “We are not idiots, or at least not all of us,” Mr. Klimkin said."

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#215 Post by Estonut » Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:40 am

Bob78164 wrote:Such as how many potential witnesses was the FBI prevented from interviewing? (Almost all of them.)
The witnesses that she, herself, provided all discredited her claims. Do you really believe there would be better witnesses to be found?
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#216 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:57 am

Estonut wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:Such as how many potential witnesses was the FBI prevented from interviewing? (Almost all of them.)
The witnesses that she, herself, provided all discredited her claims. Do you really believe there would be better witnesses to be found?
No one at all discredited Dr. Blasey Ford's testimony. And the FBI wasn't permitted to follow up on the other complaining witnesses. --Bob
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#218 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:47 am

Just an aside here.
For all of us that believe the 'News' conglomerates and government investigative agencies that we get our information from (I include Fox news, et al...) even as a whole cannot get it wrong, mislead us, report things based on their own narratives and totally create images and caricatures of people and things that don't fit their narratives, reconsider the case of Richard Jewell. He was a true hero who was turned into the most hated and hounded person in America by a news media who had no qualms or remorse for ruining a person's life all for the sake of ratings and selling newspapers.

I think it's no coincidence that one of the very few independent thinkers with power in Hollywood, Clint Eastwood, has decided to revisit this disgrace in an upcoming film.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3513548/

Anybody with any capacity for introspection and rational thought should consider the case of Richard Jewell when looking at the past 3 years.

Just sayin.
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#219 Post by Bob Juch » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:00 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Just an aside here.
For all of us that believe the 'News' conglomerates and government investigative agencies that we get our information from (I include Fox news, et al...) even as a whole cannot get it wrong, mislead us, report things based on their own narratives and totally create images and caricatures of people and things that don't fit their narratives, reconsider the case of Richard Jewell. He was a true hero who was turned into the most hated and hounded person in America by a news media who had no qualms or remorse for ruining a person's life all for the sake of ratings and selling newspapers.

I think it's no coincidence that one of the very few independent thinkers with power in Hollywood, Clint Eastwood, has decided to revisit this disgrace in an upcoming film.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3513548/

Anybody with any capacity for introspection and rational thought should consider the case of Richard Jewell when looking at the past 3 years.

Just sayin.
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#220 Post by Bob Juch » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:00 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Just an aside here.
For all of us that believe the 'News' conglomerates and government investigative agencies that we get our information from (I include Fox news, et al...) even as a whole cannot get it wrong, mislead us, report things based on their own narratives and totally create images and caricatures of people and things that don't fit their narratives, reconsider the case of Richard Jewell. He was a true hero who was turned into the most hated and hounded person in America by a news media who had no qualms or remorse for ruining a person's life all for the sake of ratings and selling newspapers.

I think it's no coincidence that one of the very few independent thinkers with power in Hollywood, Clint Eastwood, has decided to revisit this disgrace in an upcoming film.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3513548/

Anybody with any capacity for introspection and rational thought should consider the case of Richard Jewell when looking at the past 3 years.

Just sayin.
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#221 Post by silverscreenselect » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:30 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Just an aside here.
For all of us that believe the 'News' conglomerates and government investigative agencies that we get our information from (I include Fox news, et al...) even as a whole cannot get it wrong, mislead us, report things based on their own narratives and totally create images and caricatures of people and things that don't fit their narratives, reconsider the case of Richard Jewell. He was a true hero who was turned into the most hated and hounded person in America by a news media who had no qualms or remorse for ruining a person's life all for the sake of ratings and selling newspapers.

I think it's no coincidence that one of the very few independent thinkers with power in Hollywood, Clint Eastwood, has decided to revisit this disgrace in an upcoming film.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3513548/

Anybody with any capacity for introspection and rational thought should consider the case of Richard Jewell when looking at the past 3 years.

Just sayin.
There's a new book about the Jewell case that just came out called "The Suspect." It's written by the man who was the US Attorney in Atlanta at the time of the bombing (and who would have been in charge of any actual prosecution of Jewell), along with a long-time reporter for the Wall Street Journal. I don't know what the focus of Eastwood's movie is, but the book appears to be very meticulously researched and objective.

The blame here is on the FBI agents who focused on Jewell as the suspect and released the information to the press. The press reported the matter accurately: Jewell was the prime suspect as far as the FBI is concerned, and the Atlanta Journal was meticulous in its sourcing of the article as well as getting what confirmation was available from the FBI.

Again, the stories were accurate (when Jewell's suit against the AJC went to court, it was dismissed for this exact reason). The AJC did not "report things based on their own narratives and totally create images and caricatures of people and things that don't fit their narratives." Ironically, Kathy Scruggs, the reporter who broke the story (played by Olivia Wilde in the movie) probably had her career ruined by the story. She died five years later at age 41 (before Jewell). At the time of her death, she was still facing a contempt order for not revealing her source in the Jewell story.

Here are two recent articles in the AJC, one about the book, and the other about the AJC reporting of the case:

https://www.ajc.com/entertainment/books ... xgD4rZlLJ/

https://www.ajc.com/news/opinion/opinio ... 2VMTm5XNN/
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#222 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:14 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:Just an aside here.
For all of us that believe the 'News' conglomerates and government investigative agencies that we get our information from (I include Fox news, et al...) even as a whole cannot get it wrong, mislead us, report things based on their own narratives and totally create images and caricatures of people and things that don't fit their narratives, reconsider the case of Richard Jewell. He was a true hero who was turned into the most hated and hounded person in America by a news media who had no qualms or remorse for ruining a person's life all for the sake of ratings and selling newspapers.

I think it's no coincidence that one of the very few independent thinkers with power in Hollywood, Clint Eastwood, has decided to revisit this disgrace in an upcoming film.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3513548/

Anybody with any capacity for introspection and rational thought should consider the case of Richard Jewell when looking at the past 3 years.

Just sayin.
There's a new book about the Jewell case that just came out called "The Suspect." It's written by the man who was the US Attorney in Atlanta at the time of the bombing (and who would have been in charge of any actual prosecution of Jewell), along with a long-time reporter for the Wall Street Journal. I don't know what the focus of Eastwood's movie is, but the book appears to be very meticulously researched and objective.

The blame here is on the FBI agents who focused on Jewell as the suspect and released the information to the press. The press reported the matter accurately: Jewell was the prime suspect as far as the FBI is concerned, and the Atlanta Journal was meticulous in its sourcing of the article as well as getting what confirmation was available from the FBI.

Again, the stories were accurate (when Jewell's suit against the AJC went to court, it was dismissed for this exact reason). The AJC did not "report things based on their own narratives and totally create images and caricatures of people and things that don't fit their narratives." Ironically, Kathy Scruggs, the reporter who broke the story (played by Olivia Wilde in the movie) probably had her career ruined by the story. She died five years later at age 41 (before Jewell). At the time of her death, she was still facing a contempt order for not revealing her source in the Jewell story.

Here are two recent articles in the AJC, one about the book, and the other about the AJC reporting of the case:

https://www.ajc.com/entertainment/books ... xgD4rZlLJ/

https://www.ajc.com/news/opinion/opinio ... 2VMTm5XNN/
They may have reported it 'correctly' , but they were categorically wrong about everything they reported, caused great harm to one individual, had little , if any regret or remorse for what they did to the man, and most importantly, did no introspection or changes to the way they conducted themselves. In my humble opinion, the last three years reporting on trump has proven that. Only instead of damaging one man , they are damaging the whole country. Thats your threat to The Future Of Our Democracy right there.
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Re: With a name like Boris

#223 Post by Bob Juch » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:21 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:Just an aside here.
For all of us that believe the 'News' conglomerates and government investigative agencies that we get our information from (I include Fox news, et al...) even as a whole cannot get it wrong, mislead us, report things based on their own narratives and totally create images and caricatures of people and things that don't fit their narratives, reconsider the case of Richard Jewell. He was a true hero who was turned into the most hated and hounded person in America by a news media who had no qualms or remorse for ruining a person's life all for the sake of ratings and selling newspapers.

I think it's no coincidence that one of the very few independent thinkers with power in Hollywood, Clint Eastwood, has decided to revisit this disgrace in an upcoming film.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3513548/

Anybody with any capacity for introspection and rational thought should consider the case of Richard Jewell when looking at the past 3 years.

Just sayin.
There's a new book about the Jewell case that just came out called "The Suspect." It's written by the man who was the US Attorney in Atlanta at the time of the bombing (and who would have been in charge of any actual prosecution of Jewell), along with a long-time reporter for the Wall Street Journal. I don't know what the focus of Eastwood's movie is, but the book appears to be very meticulously researched and objective.

The blame here is on the FBI agents who focused on Jewell as the suspect and released the information to the press. The press reported the matter accurately: Jewell was the prime suspect as far as the FBI is concerned, and the Atlanta Journal was meticulous in its sourcing of the article as well as getting what confirmation was available from the FBI.

Again, the stories were accurate (when Jewell's suit against the AJC went to court, it was dismissed for this exact reason). The AJC did not "report things based on their own narratives and totally create images and caricatures of people and things that don't fit their narratives." Ironically, Kathy Scruggs, the reporter who broke the story (played by Olivia Wilde in the movie) probably had her career ruined by the story. She died five years later at age 41 (before Jewell). At the time of her death, she was still facing a contempt order for not revealing her source in the Jewell story.

Here are two recent articles in the AJC, one about the book, and the other about the AJC reporting of the case:

https://www.ajc.com/entertainment/books ... xgD4rZlLJ/

https://www.ajc.com/news/opinion/opinio ... 2VMTm5XNN/
They may have reported it 'correctly' , but they were categorically wrong about everything they reported, caused great harm to one individual, had little , if any regret or remorse for what they did to the man, and most importantly, did no introspection or changes to the way they conducted themselves. In my humble opinion, the last three years reporting on trump has proven that. Only instead of damaging one man , they are damaging the whole country. Thats your threat to The Future Of Our Democracy right there.
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#224 Post by silverscreenselect » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:52 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
They may have reported it 'correctly' , but they were categorically wrong about everything they reported, caused great harm to one individual, had little , if any regret or remorse for what they did to the man, and most importantly, did no introspection or changes to the way they conducted themselves.
It's clear that you either didn't read what I cited or didn't comprehend it. But here's a few excerpts:
Kathy’s source [for the Jewell story] was compelling, and the source offered a detailed rationale to explain how they landed on Jewell. We sought and obtained independent verification before publishing the story saying Jewell was the focus of investigators’ attention... I was the editor who received the call from the reporter, Kathy Scruggs. I was in the thick of it as we sought to verify her tip — which we did — and weigh what to do with the story. We decided to break the news that the hero was now a suspect on the AJC’s front page....

I believe we did the right thing by accurately reporting that the FBI had shifted its suspicions on Jewell at a time when the entire world was waiting on the FBI to solve the crime, and the book accurately comports with my memory of what happened in our newsroom. The authors walk readers through the paper’s step-by-step efforts to verify the account of Scruggs’ primary source. The day after she learned the FBI was focusing on Jewell, Scruggs learned from other law enforcement contacts that they knew the information, too. We dispatched a reporter to the apartment where Jewell lived with his mother. The reporter saw police cruisers sitting outside and observed what appeared to be FBI agents in unmarked cars, suggesting heightened scrutiny of Jewell. We were hearing that the FBI was preparing warrants to search Jewell’s apartment. Finally, Scruggs’ reporting partner, Ron Martz, read the entire story to an FBI spokesman, who confirmed the important elements. The book includes a brief account of our deliberations about identifying Jewell by name. We concluded we had no choice. We asked ourselves, did we have an accurate story? We did. Did we have an obligation to document the actions of law enforcement? We believed that, too. We also knew that any attempt to shield Jewell’s identity would be futile once the FBI knocked on his front door, which they did the day after we named him as a focus of the investigation.

While the media in general and AJC in particular are portrayed as a horde fueled by shoddy police work at the FBI, [the advance script for the Eastwood film] ignores a key point: The press worked hard to expose the holes in the FBI’s theory. It was an AJC reporter, Bill Rankin, who first wrote that it would have been impossible for Jewell to have been in the park and simultaneously been at a payphone a few blocks away placing a 911 call to warn about the bomb...

For the rest of my career, however, the lessons of the Jewell story remained with me. The most important one is that journalists must never forget that we are writing about flesh-and-blood people whose lives may be changed forever. We owe them our best work.
The person who wants to "report things based on their own narratives and totally create images and caricatures of people and things that don't fit their narratives" is you, Flock.
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Re: With a name like Boris

#225 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:57 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
They may have reported it 'correctly' , but they were categorically wrong about everything they reported, caused great harm to one individual, had little , if any regret or remorse for what they did to the man, and most importantly, did no introspection or changes to the way they conducted themselves.
It's clear that you either didn't read what I cited or didn't comprehend it. But here's a few excerpts:
Kathy’s source [for the Jewell story] was compelling, and the source offered a detailed rationale to explain how they landed on Jewell. We sought and obtained independent verification before publishing the story saying Jewell was the focus of investigators’ attention... I was the editor who received the call from the reporter, Kathy Scruggs. I was in the thick of it as we sought to verify her tip — which we did — and weigh what to do with the story. We decided to break the news that the hero was now a suspect on the AJC’s front page....

I believe we did the right thing by accurately reporting that the FBI had shifted its suspicions on Jewell at a time when the entire world was waiting on the FBI to solve the crime, and the book accurately comports with my memory of what happened in our newsroom. The authors walk readers through the paper’s step-by-step efforts to verify the account of Scruggs’ primary source. The day after she learned the FBI was focusing on Jewell, Scruggs learned from other law enforcement contacts that they knew the information, too. We dispatched a reporter to the apartment where Jewell lived with his mother. The reporter saw police cruisers sitting outside and observed what appeared to be FBI agents in unmarked cars, suggesting heightened scrutiny of Jewell. We were hearing that the FBI was preparing warrants to search Jewell’s apartment. Finally, Scruggs’ reporting partner, Ron Martz, read the entire story to an FBI spokesman, who confirmed the important elements. The book includes a brief account of our deliberations about identifying Jewell by name. We concluded we had no choice. We asked ourselves, did we have an accurate story? We did. Did we have an obligation to document the actions of law enforcement? We believed that, too. We also knew that any attempt to shield Jewell’s identity would be futile once the FBI knocked on his front door, which they did the day after we named him as a focus of the investigation.

While the media in general and AJC in particular are portrayed as a horde fueled by shoddy police work at the FBI, [the advance script for the Eastwood film] ignores a key point: The press worked hard to expose the holes in the FBI’s theory. It was an AJC reporter, Bill Rankin, who first wrote that it would have been impossible for Jewell to have been in the park and simultaneously been at a payphone a few blocks away placing a 911 call to warn about the bomb...

For the rest of my career, however, the lessons of the Jewell story remained with me. The most important one is that journalists must never forget that we are writing about flesh-and-blood people whose lives may be changed forever. We owe them our best work.
The person who wants to "report things based on their own narratives and totally create images and caricatures of people and things that don't fit their narratives" is you, Flock.
Just two questions. Were they all WRONG? A yes or no would suffice.
Has the news conglomerate learned anything since then about reporting rumors, innuendo and gossip as fact? Again a yes or no would suffice.
And if it makes you feel any better you can include your ubiquitous swipe at me.

Just a favor:Could you condense that last troll into fewer words? It's too long to add to my signature.
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