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#126 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:30 pm

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jarnon wrote:Going back to the original topic (Barr's worldwide investigation of Democratic wrongdoing in 2016), Trump just said . . . .
Donny says a lot of things. Very few of them are worth anyone's attention. Why amplify the words of a serial liar? --Bob
You trump haters have a lot of nerve calling anyone a liar. The biggest lie of the past half century at least is that " trump colluded with the russians to win the election". You and yours spent years and millions trying to find anything you could to support that lie, ruined the careers and reputations of several people, and came up with not even a shred of evidence to support those charges. Then, the totally partisan team of prosecutors write a screed saying they could not " exonerate" the president of obstruction of justice of charges that were non existent. Aside from the fact that it is not a prosecutors job to determine guilt or innocence, much less exonerate anyone. And since that fizzled, you go on to the next thing, hoping you can find a crime or the semblence of one to, if not impeach, at least to further harass the president.

That's the perspective of a significant percentage of the American people who live outside your echo chamber. And the more you press on with investigation after investigation, the lower your credibility sinks.
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#127 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:21 am

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jarnon wrote:Going back to the original topic (Barr's worldwide investigation of Democratic wrongdoing in 2016), Trump just said . . . .
Donny says a lot of things. Very few of them are worth anyone's attention. Why amplify the words of a serial liar? --Bob
You trump haters have a lot of nerve calling anyone a liar. The biggest lie of the past half century at least is that " trump colluded with the russians to win the election". You and yours spent years and millions trying to find anything you could to support that lie, ruined the careers and reputations of several people, and came up with not even a shred of evidence to support those charges. Then, the totally partisan team of prosecutors write a screed saying they could not " exonerate" the president of obstruction of justice of charges that were non existent. Aside from the fact that it is not a prosecutors job to determine guilt or innocence, much less exonerate anyone. And since that fizzled, you go on to the next thing, hoping you can find a crime or the semblence of one to, if not impeach, at least to further harass the president.

That's the perspective of a significant percentage of the American people who live outside your echo chamber. And the more you press on with investigation after investigation, the lower your credibility sinks.
Read the Mueller Report. He knew the Russians were helping him. He wanted their help. He even tried to coordinate with them (which would have made him guilty of criminal conspiracy) but a combination of his aides' incompetence and their defiance of his instructions prevented him from doing so.

And Republicans have no basis at all for complaining about bullshit investigations after Whitewater, Benghazi, and of course, Kenya.

In the meantime, a majority of the American people now support impeachment. A plurality supports removing Donny from office. And we haven't even seen the live testimony yet. --Bob
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#128 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:01 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:That's the perspective of a significant percentage of the American people who live outside your echo chamber. And the more you press on with investigation after investigation, the lower your credibility sinks.
Actually, that's the perspective of a significantly shrinking percentage of the American people who live inside the Fox News/Breitbart/Donald Trump echo chamber. And the more Democrats uncover evidence of Trump's wrongdoing, the lower his credibility sinks.

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#129 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:16 am

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flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:Donny says a lot of things. Very few of them are worth anyone's attention. Why amplify the words of a serial liar? --Bob
You trump haters have a lot of nerve calling anyone a liar. The biggest lie of the past half century at least is that " trump colluded with the russians to win the election". You and yours spent years and millions trying to find anything you could to support that lie, ruined the careers and reputations of several people, and came up with not even a shred of evidence to support those charges. Then, the totally partisan team of prosecutors write a screed saying they could not " exonerate" the president of obstruction of justice of charges that were non existent. Aside from the fact that it is not a prosecutors job to determine guilt or innocence, much less exonerate anyone. And since that fizzled, you go on to the next thing, hoping you can find a crime or the semblence of one to, if not impeach, at least to further harass the president.

That's the perspective of a significant percentage of the American people who live outside your echo chamber. And the more you press on with investigation after investigation, the lower your credibility sinks.
Read the Mueller Report. He knew the Russians were helping him. He wanted their help. He even tried to coordinate with them (which would have made him guilty of criminal conspiracy) but a combination of his aides' incompetence and their defiance of his instructions prevented him from doing so.

And Republicans have no basis at all for complaining about bullshit investigations after Whitewater, Benghazi, and of course, Kenya.

In the meantime, a majority of the American people now support impeachment. A plurality supports removing Donny from office. And we haven't even seen the live testimony yet. --Bob

The only words in the Mueller report that matter. The only words they should have published. This was the only thing that was their job.
...the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.
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#130 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:31 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
You trump haters have a lot of nerve calling anyone a liar. The biggest lie of the past half century at least is that " trump colluded with the russians to win the election". You and yours spent years and millions trying to find anything you could to support that lie, ruined the careers and reputations of several people, and came up with not even a shred of evidence to support those charges. Then, the totally partisan team of prosecutors write a screed saying they could not " exonerate" the president of obstruction of justice of charges that were non existent. Aside from the fact that it is not a prosecutors job to determine guilt or innocence, much less exonerate anyone. And since that fizzled, you go on to the next thing, hoping you can find a crime or the semblence of one to, if not impeach, at least to further harass the president.

That's the perspective of a significant percentage of the American people who live outside your echo chamber. And the more you press on with investigation after investigation, the lower your credibility sinks.
Read the Mueller Report. He knew the Russians were helping him. He wanted their help. He even tried to coordinate with them (which would have made him guilty of criminal conspiracy) but a combination of his aides' incompetence and their defiance of his instructions prevented him from doing so.

And Republicans have no basis at all for complaining about bullshit investigations after Whitewater, Benghazi, and of course, Kenya.

In the meantime, a majority of the American people now support impeachment. A plurality supports removing Donny from office. And we haven't even seen the live testimony yet. --Bob

The only words in the Mueller report that matter. The only words they should have published. This was the only thing that was their job.
...the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.
Because, of course, we should have ignored all of the successful efforts of the Russian government to interfere with our elections. Nothing to see here.

If you hadn't been around for so long, I'd seriously wonder whether you're based in a Russian troll farm. On second thought, they're better at it than you are. --Bob
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#131 Post by tlynn78 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:34 am

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tlynn78 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:Didn't happen. And even if it had, that's still better than inviting and then welcoming foreign interference in our elections.

Or would you be okay with the eventual Democratic nominee asking our European allies to investigate Donny's foreign dealings in their countries? Not to mention those of his kids. --Bob
Didn't happen? Oh, you are precious. And as for your second query, that's already happened, as well. You really don't pay attention to anything outside your bubble, do you?
Also not true.

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised this doesn't bother you, as long as it's your side that's doing it. You're supporting a convicted criminal for Governor of Montana. --Bob
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#132 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:37 am

Because, of course, we should have ignored all of the successful efforts of the Russian government to interfere with our elections. Nothing to see here.
Which had NOTHING to do with trump's campaign, which was the lie.

And we did (and do) ignore all the efforts by the dems and the press to interfere with his administration by constant harassment and unending bullshit investigations. Maybe not for long, though.
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#133 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:43 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Because, of course, we should have ignored all of the successful efforts of the Russian government to interfere with our elections. Nothing to see here.
Which had NOTHING to do with trump's campaign, which was the lie.

And we did (and do) ignore all the efforts by the dems and the press to interfere with his administration by constant harassment and unending bullshit investigations. Maybe not for long, though.
Republicans set the gold standard in unending bullshit investigations. That's really not where you want to go.

But there's nothing remotely bullshit about these investigations. Donny knew that the Russians were helping his campaign, he welcomed the help, and he positioned his campaign to take advantage of the help. The one thing he didn't do was actively coordinate with the Russians. That may make the difference between criminal and non-criminal conduct. But it's sure as hell an act of disloyalty to our country that would have outraged every Republican in Congress, right up until the moment they thought the outrage put their ambitions in jeopardy.

Hell, do you think Justin Amash, who (unlike you) actually has read the Mueller Report, was bought off by Democrats? --Bob
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#134 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:55 am

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Because, of course, we should have ignored all of the successful efforts of the Russian government to interfere with our elections. Nothing to see here.
Which had NOTHING to do with trump's campaign, which was the lie.

And we did (and do) ignore all the efforts by the dems and the press to interfere with his administration by constant harassment and unending bullshit investigations. Maybe not for long, though.
Republicans set the gold standard in unending bullshit investigations. That's really not where you want to go.

But there's nothing remotely bullshit about these investigations. Donny knew that the Russians were helping his campaign, he welcomed the help, and he positioned his campaign to take advantage of the help. The one thing he didn't do was actively coordinate with the Russians. That may make the difference between criminal and non-criminal conduct. But it's sure as hell an act of disloyalty to our country that would have outraged every Republican in Congress, right up until the moment they thought the outrage put their ambitions in jeopardy.

Hell, do you think Justin Amash, who (unlike you) actually has read the Mueller Report, was bought off by Democrats? --Bob
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Where was the Obama administration, which was responsible, in preventing and stopping the russian (not to mention chinese) 'interference'?
And who the hell is Justin Amash? Is he now up there with Jon Ossoff as a Saint because he said something you like? Is he now the oracle of oracles?

You know what? Let's say I didn't read the Mueller report. Tell me exactly what the russians did to 'interfere' with the election. Then tell me what trump did to position his campaign to take advantage of that help. Be specific, please. I want to see how your mind works.
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#135 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:05 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:And who the hell is Justin Amash?
Seriously? You really don't know who Rep. Justin Amash is? I didn't realize how deep your ignorance runs.

He's a Republican member of the House of Representatives (representing, if memory serves, the Grand Rapids area of Michigan) who, after reading the Mueller Report in its entirety, publicly came out in favor of impeachment.

He thereby proved himself one of the few Republicans in Congress more concerned with the good of the country than the good of his political career. Naturally he's been drummed out of the Republican Party for his heresy (I'm using poetic license here -- as far as I know he hasn't actually been stripped of his membership in the Party) and is running for reelection as an independent.

No, I'm not going to do your homework for you by summarizing the 400-page Mueller Report, or even its 200-page first volume, for you. Read it yourself. --Bob
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#136 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:42 pm

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flockofseagulls104 wrote:And who the hell is Justin Amash?
Seriously? You really don't know who Rep. Justin Amash is? I didn't realize how deep your ignorance runs.

He's a Republican member of the House of Representatives (representing, if memory serves, the Grand Rapids area of Michigan) who, after reading the Mueller Report in its entirety, publicly came out in favor of impeachment.

He thereby proved himself one of the few Republicans in Congress more concerned with the good of the country than the good of his political career. Naturally he's been drummed out of the Republican Party for his heresy (I'm using poetic license here -- as far as I know he hasn't actually been stripped of his membership in the Party) and is running for reelection as an independent.

No, I'm not going to do your homework for you by summarizing the 400-page Mueller Report, or even its 200-page first volume, for you. Read it yourself. --Bob
Of course you're not. You don't have any clue of the actual facts. It's just the marching order talking points of the left's echo chamber. I have heard nothing specfic about anything published that details what exactly the russians actually did and how trump used it. Just that they did and he did and how bad it was. And you can't tell me. You can write a book pontificating about one thing or another, but you can't actually make a coherent case for this. And neither could Mueller's team of partisan lawyers working for 2 years trying.
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#137 Post by jarnon » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:42 pm

Mick Mulvaney acknowledges Ukraine aid was withheld over investigation into Democrats

The Trump administration insisted that Ukraine investigate the DNC server conspiracy theory, which says that the DNC, with the help of cybersecurity company CrowdStrike and corrupt Ukrainians, fooled the FBI into believing the Russians hacked their server. This absurd claim has been refuted by multiple government investigators. Apparently this is one of the issues Barr’s looking into. But unlike his other probes, this one has no basis in fact and is pure political fantasy.

Bob, I apologize for quoting another liar, but what Mulvaney said is backed up by more reliable witnesses.

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#138 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:47 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:And who the hell is Justin Amash?
Seriously? You really don't know who Rep. Justin Amash is? I didn't realize how deep your ignorance runs.

He's a Republican member of the House of Representatives (representing, if memory serves, the Grand Rapids area of Michigan) who, after reading the Mueller Report in its entirety, publicly came out in favor of impeachment.

He thereby proved himself one of the few Republicans in Congress more concerned with the good of the country than the good of his political career. Naturally he's been drummed out of the Republican Party for his heresy (I'm using poetic license here -- as far as I know he hasn't actually been stripped of his membership in the Party) and is running for reelection as an independent.

No, I'm not going to do your homework for you by summarizing the 400-page Mueller Report, or even its 200-page first volume, for you. Read it yourself. --Bob
Of course you're not. You don't have any clue of the actual facts. It's just the marching order talking points of the left's echo chamber. I have heard nothing specfic about anything published that details what exactly the russians actually did and how trump used it. Just that they did and he did and how bad it was. And you can't tell me. You can write a book pontificating about one thing or another, but you can't actually make a coherent case for this. And neither could Mueller's team of partisan lawyers working for 2 years trying.
Really? Because there was a whole federal indictment spelling out in considerable detail exactly how the Russians did it. And that's a lot shorter than the Mueller Report, so maybe you can trouble yourself to read that. --Bob
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#139 Post by silvercamaro » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:56 pm

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flockofseagulls104 wrote:And who the hell is Justin Amash?
Seriously? You really don't know who Rep. Justin Amash is? I didn't realize how deep your ignorance runs.

He's a Republican member of the House of Representatives (representing, if memory serves, the Grand Rapids area of Michigan) who, after reading the Mueller Report in its entirety, publicly came out in favor of impeachment.

He thereby proved himself one of the few Republicans in Congress more concerned with the good of the country than the good of his political career. Naturally he's been drummed out of the Republican Party for his heresy (I'm using poetic license here -- as far as I know he hasn't actually been stripped of his membership in the Party) and is running for reelection as an independent.

No, I'm not going to do your homework for you by summarizing the 400-page Mueller Report, or even its 200-page first volume, for you. Read it yourself. --Bob
Actually, Bob, Amash declared himself to be an independent last July. I didn't realize how superficial your superior knowledge of politics would prove to be. I think you should "consider" making a contribution to his re-election campaign as you previously have for other politicians. I suspect that "consider" is a lawyerly word that means you can feel virtuous about your self-assessed superiority without actually costing you anything. (I know, I know, you did tell us about the time you "threw money" at somebody or another. Does that mean you bought the large-size bumper sticker instead of the small $2 version?)
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#140 Post by tlynn78 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:11 pm

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Bob78164 wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:And who the hell is Justin Amash?
Seriously? You really don't know who Rep. Justin Amash is? I didn't realize how deep your ignorance runs.

He's a Republican member of the House of Representatives (representing, if memory serves, the Grand Rapids area of Michigan) who, after reading the Mueller Report in its entirety, publicly came out in favor of impeachment.

He thereby proved himself one of the few Republicans in Congress more concerned with the good of the country than the good of his political career. Naturally he's been drummed out of the Republican Party for his heresy (I'm using poetic license here -- as far as I know he hasn't actually been stripped of his membership in the Party) and is running for reelection as an independent.

No, I'm not going to do your homework for you by summarizing the 400-page Mueller Report, or even its 200-page first volume, for you. Read it yourself. --Bob
Actually, Bob, Amash declared himself to be an independent last July. I didn't realize how superficial your superior knowledge of politics would prove to be. I think you should "consider" making a contribution to his re-election campaign as you previously have for other politicians. I suspect that "consider" is a lawyerly word that means you can feel virtuous about your self-assessed superiority without actually costing you anything. (I know, I know, you did tell us about the time you "threw money" at somebody or another. Does that mean you bought the large-size bumper sticker instead of the small $2 version?)
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#141 Post by jarnon » Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:27 pm

jarnon wrote:Mick Mulvaney acknowledges Ukraine aid was withheld over investigation into Democrats

The Trump administration insisted that Ukraine investigate the DNC server conspiracy theory, which says that the DNC, with the help of cybersecurity company CrowdStrike and corrupt Ukrainians, fooled the FBI into believing the Russians hacked their server. This absurd claim has been refuted by multiple government investigators. Apparently this is one of the issues Barr’s looking into. But unlike his other probes, this one has no basis in fact and is pure political fantasy.

Bob, I apologize for quoting another liar, but what Mulvaney said is backed up by more reliable witnesses.
Here's one of those witnesses:

U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election
Washington Post wrote:The senior U.S. diplomat in Ukraine said Tuesday he was told release of military aid was contingent on public declarations from Ukraine that it would investigate the Bidens and the 2016 election, contradicting President Trump’s denial that he used the money as leverage for political gain.

Acting ambassador William B. Taylor Jr. testified behind closed doors in the House impeachment probe of Trump that he stands by his characterization that it was “crazy” to make the assistance contingent on investigations he found troubling.

Taylor said he spoke to Ambassador Gordon Sondland, the U.S. envoy to the European Union.

“During that phone call, Amb. Sondland told me that President Trump had told him that he wants President Zelensky to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election.

“Amb. Sondland also told me that he now recognized that he had made a mistake by earlier telling the Ukrainian officials to whom he spoke that a White House meeting with President Zelensky was dependent on a public announcement of investigations — in fact, Amb. Sondland said, everything was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance.”
Mulvaney spoke on live TV. Taylor testified under oath. If this story is true, I don’t see how either one will keep his job.

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#142 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:41 pm

jarnon wrote:
jarnon wrote:Mick Mulvaney acknowledges Ukraine aid was withheld over investigation into Democrats

The Trump administration insisted that Ukraine investigate the DNC server conspiracy theory, which says that the DNC, with the help of cybersecurity company CrowdStrike and corrupt Ukrainians, fooled the FBI into believing the Russians hacked their server. This absurd claim has been refuted by multiple government investigators. Apparently this is one of the issues Barr’s looking into. But unlike his other probes, this one has no basis in fact and is pure political fantasy.

Bob, I apologize for quoting another liar, but what Mulvaney said is backed up by more reliable witnesses.
Here's one of those witnesses:

U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election
Washington Post wrote:The senior U.S. diplomat in Ukraine said Tuesday he was told release of military aid was contingent on public declarations from Ukraine that it would investigate the Bidens and the 2016 election, contradicting President Trump’s denial that he used the money as leverage for political gain.

Acting ambassador William B. Taylor Jr. testified behind closed doors in the House impeachment probe of Trump that he stands by his characterization that it was “crazy” to make the assistance contingent on investigations he found troubling.

Taylor said he spoke to Ambassador Gordon Sondland, the U.S. envoy to the European Union.

“During that phone call, Amb. Sondland told me that President Trump had told him that he wants President Zelensky to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election.

“Amb. Sondland also told me that he now recognized that he had made a mistake by earlier telling the Ukrainian officials to whom he spoke that a White House meeting with President Zelensky was dependent on a public announcement of investigations — in fact, Amb. Sondland said, everything was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance.”
Mulvaney spoke on live TV. Taylor testified under oath. If this story is true, I don’t see how either one will keep his job.
The Washington Post has published Ambassador Taylor's opening statement in full. --Bob
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#143 Post by jarnon » Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:10 pm

Bob78164 wrote:The Washington Post has published Ambassador Taylor's opening statement in full. --Bob
Holy shit. This is “cancer on the presidency” serious. People will go to jail for this.

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#144 Post by Bob78164 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:17 pm

jarnon wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:The Washington Post has published Ambassador Taylor's opening statement in full. --Bob
Holy shit. This is “cancer on the presidency” serious. People will go to jail for this.
Reports were that there were gasps in the hearing room as he was reading his statement. I haven't yet had time to do so. --Bob
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#145 Post by Beebs52 » Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:43 pm

Pearls. Clutching. Gasp. Buy Depends dudes.
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Re: With a name like Boris

#146 Post by jarnon » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:27 pm

Bob78164 wrote:The Washington Post has published Ambassador Taylor's opening statement in full. --Bob
Alex Vindman, whom Taylor mentions, is testifying on Tuesday. Here is his opening statement.

The statement confirms what we've heard from Taylor and other witnesses. It's useful because the more officials (with spotless reputations) tell the same story, the harder it is to claim it's a hoax.

Meanwhile, the White House doesn't want former Deputy National Security Advisor Charles Kupperman to testify. I thought of him when I read today's Peanuts cartoon.

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Re: With a name like Boris

#147 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:15 am

jarnon wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:The Washington Post has published Ambassador Taylor's opening statement in full. --Bob
Alex Vindman, whom Taylor mentions, is testifying on Tuesday. Here is his opening statement.

The statement confirms what we've heard from Taylor and other witnesses. It's useful because the more officials (with spotless reputations) tell the same story, the harder it is to claim it's a hoax.

Meanwhile, the White House doesn't want former Deputy National Security Advisor Charles Kupperman to testify. I thought of him when I read today's Peanuts cartoon.

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Does it not bother you that they are doing this in secret, not allowing any republicans to even attend these 'hearings', have nobody to cross examine these 'witnesses', accord no due process, and then leak out only information that supports their predetermined outcome? All orchestrated by a man who was caught red-handed lying about what happened on the phone call in question? Who also lied about never having any contact with the 'whistleblower'? Who also lied about having 'incontrovertible' evidence that trump colluded with the russians? And that this whole thing emerged out of the swamp almost immediately after the Mueller fiasco didn't work out? There seem to be a lot of credibility issues here.

Even if it is true the administration withheld aid to pressure ukraine to investigate the bidens, (there are many other valid reasons to have done so) does it not even bother you that biden's son got a lot of money to sit on the board of a company for which, even he admits, he had absolutely no qualifications? Why? The only logical reason was to peddle influence. What other reason? And they keep saying there was no wrong doing here. Who says this? It looks like, acts like and smells like a bribe. How and by whom was it 'debunked'?
There are a lot of questions the impeachers need to answer.

Just observations from somebody with a different perspective.
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Re: With a name like Boris

#148 Post by BackInTex » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:30 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote: Even if it is true the administration withheld aid to pressure ukraine to investigate the bidens, (there are many other valid reasons to have done so) does it not even bother you that biden's son got a lot of money to sit on the board of a company for which, even he admits, he had absolutely no qualifications? Why? The only logical reason was to peddle influence. What other reason? And they keep saying there was no wrong doing here. Who says this? It looks like, acts like and smells like a bribe. How and by whom was it 'debunked'?
There are a lot of questions the impeachers need to answer.

Just observations from somebody with a different perspective.
Peddling influence?! Shows how biased you are. They are solving world problems. Just like the Clintons did. See my evidence of their success. I'm surprised no one else here joined me in giving them the kudos they deserve.

For those that can't work a hyperlink:
The world's poverty problems have been eliminated. This is an assumption of course, based on the simple metric of contributions to "help the poor and unfortunate across the globe" given to the Clinton Foundation. Why else would contributions drop 89% from the 6 year average of when HRC was Secretary of State and a presidential candidate? What other reason could there be?

These are my numbers culled from the Clinton Foundation's own financial reports and form 990 filings off the IRS website.

Year.......Contributions & Grants. ($ millions).....Influential Position
2004....... $62.......Senator
2005....... $69.......Senator
2006....... $110.......Senator
2007....... $123.......Senator
2008....... $232.......Senator
2009....... $241 .......Sec of State
2010....... $304 .......Sec of State
2011....... $242....... Sec of State
2012....... $228....... Sec of State
2013....... $292.......defacto Presidential Candidate
2014....... $332.......defacto Presidential Candidate
2015....... $113.......Presidential Candidate
2016....... $66.......Presidential Candidate
2017....... $29.......Nothing
In the end, they will all pretty much taste the same.

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Re: With a name like Boris

#149 Post by jarnon » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:43 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Does it not bother you that they are doing this in secret, not allowing any republicans to even attend these 'hearings', have nobody to cross examine these 'witnesses', accord no due process, and then leak out only information that supports their predetermined outcome? All orchestrated by a man who was caught red-handed lying about what happened on the phone call in question? Who also lied about never having any contact with the 'whistleblower'? Who also lied about having 'incontrovertible' evidence that trump colluded with the russians? And that this whole thing emerged out of the swamp almost immediately after the Mueller fiasco didn't work out? There seem to be a lot of credibility issues here.
Republicans are present at every hearing and question the witnesses. The leaks have been one-sided, but that's not entirely the Democrats' fault. Trump's defenders like Giuliani have chosen to defy Congress instead of presenting their side. I expect them to come around for the public hearings or Senate trial.

Schiff needs to build a strong case that will sway some Republican senators, or else convince the public that the Senate refuses to convict for partisan reasons. Otherwise the impeachment will backfire on the Democrats.

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Re: With a name like Boris

#150 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:19 am

jarnon wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote:Does it not bother you that they are doing this in secret, not allowing any republicans to even attend these 'hearings', have nobody to cross examine these 'witnesses', accord no due process, and then leak out only information that supports their predetermined outcome? All orchestrated by a man who was caught red-handed lying about what happened on the phone call in question? Who also lied about never having any contact with the 'whistleblower'? Who also lied about having 'incontrovertible' evidence that trump colluded with the russians? And that this whole thing emerged out of the swamp almost immediately after the Mueller fiasco didn't work out? There seem to be a lot of credibility issues here.
Republicans are present at every hearing and question the witnesses. The leaks have been one-sided, but that's not entirely the Democrats' fault. Trump's defenders like Giuliani have chosen to defy Congress instead of presenting their side. I expect them to come around for the public hearings or Senate trial.

Schiff needs to build a strong case that will sway some Republican senators, or else convince the public that the Senate refuses to convict for partisan reasons. Otherwise the impeachment will backfire on the Democrats.
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