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#1 Post by Bob Juch » Tue May 07, 2019 3:31 pm

Two suspects are in custody after several students at the Highlands Ranch STEM school were shot. The school was still in active shooter lockdown.

Highlands Ranch is a southern suburb of Denver.
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#2 Post by Beebs52 » Tue May 07, 2019 3:52 pm

Bob Juch wrote:Two suspects are in custody after several students at the Highlands Ranch STEM school were shot. The school was still in active shooter lockdown.

Highlands Ranch is a southern suburb of Denver.
Yikes. My niece used to live there.
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#3 Post by Bob Juch » Tue May 07, 2019 4:05 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:Two suspects are in custody after several students at the Highlands Ranch STEM school were shot. The school was still in active shooter lockdown.

Highlands Ranch is a southern suburb of Denver.
Yikes. My niece used to live there.
So did my daughters and granddaughters. :cry:
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#4 Post by Bob Juch » Tue May 07, 2019 7:25 pm

I'm getting social media posts saying one 18 year old student has died with seven wounded, some critically. One of the shooters was an "adult student", the other a juvenile.
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#5 Post by jarnon » Wed May 08, 2019 7:52 am

Student Nui Giasolli said classmate Kendrick Castillo lunged at the gunman, giving others "time to get underneath our desks, to get ourselves safe." Kendrick was shot and killed.

Kendrick Castillo, Brendan Bialy, and North Carolina's Riley Howell are amazing heroes. I’ve been taking a Krav Maga class and we just learned firearm defense, but I don’t know how I’d act in an emergency.

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#6 Post by BackInTex » Wed May 08, 2019 8:32 am

jarnon wrote: but I don’t know how I’d act in an emergency.
I don't think anyone does until it happens. We'd all like to think we'd be "brave" enough, but until the situation presents itself and the adrenaline rushes through the veins what actions we take are unknown.

I put "brave" in quotes because I think its definition is complex. Sometimes it is used as a synonym for "fearless", but in such a situation as yesterday it is more about "selflessness" in the face of danger. One can be brave in such a situation and be scared to death. Some amount of fear is healthy in such a situation to minimize foolhardiness.

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#7 Post by BackInTex » Sat May 11, 2019 7:28 pm

Boy this shooting sure vanished quickly from media coverage. Why? Doesn't fit one agenda and hurts the other.

Two students arrested in Colorado school shooting make first appearance

The shooters weren't white nationalists or Trump supporters. Quite the opposite. One is transgender (biological female).
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#8 Post by Beebs52 » Sat May 11, 2019 7:41 pm

Some reports indicate one of the suspects was a bully, which doesn't fit current narratives. Net net is they were both crazy and/or evil, or both. Just like all the other crazies.
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#9 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Sat May 11, 2019 8:05 pm

Let's not overlook this either

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ta ... -political

Not getting the coverage they gave David Hogg and that group of school shooting survivors. I wonder why?
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#10 Post by Beebs52 » Sat May 11, 2019 8:24 pm

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#11 Post by silverscreenselect » Sat May 11, 2019 8:25 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: Not getting the coverage they gave David Hogg and that group of school shooting survivors. I wonder why?
I counted articles in the Washington Post, Denver Post, USA Today, Time, Rolling Stone, ABC News, and Slate, and that's just on the first two pages of my google search for "Colorado school shooting protest."

So, again one of your liberal bias press narratives goes up in flames.
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#12 Post by Beebs52 » Sat May 11, 2019 8:42 pm

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flockofseagulls104 wrote: Not getting the coverage they gave David Hogg and that group of school shooting survivors. I wonder why?
I counted articles in the Washington Post, Denver Post, USA Today, Time, Rolling Stone, ABC News, and Slate, and that's just on the first two pages of my google search for "Colorado school shooting protest."

So, again one of your liberal bias press narratives goes up in flames.
Actually, I think it's because the students wanted to have it be about the heros/victims rather than grandstanders. Not as exciting presswise.
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#13 Post by Bob78164 » Sun May 12, 2019 2:44 am

Beebs52 wrote:Actually, I think it's because the students wanted to have it be about the heros/victims rather than grandstanders.
"Grandstanders"?

Shame on you. Those kids paid an awful price. They lived an experience no one would or should wish on them. They've earned the right to say pretty much anything they want on the subject of gun control. And not by any choice they ever made.

Even if you don't agree with the views of the Parkland survivors, I think you should show them the respect anyone who had to live through that horror has earned. And I'm glad they're doing everything they can to reduce the number of kids who will have to share that awful experience in the future. --Bob
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#14 Post by Spock » Sun May 12, 2019 7:17 am

Bob78164 wrote:
Beebs52 wrote:Actually, I think it's because the students wanted to have it be about the heros/victims rather than grandstanders.
"Grandstanders"?

Shame on you. Those kids paid an awful price. They lived an experience no one would or should wish on them. They've earned the right to say pretty much anything they want on the subject of gun control. And not by any choice they ever made.

Even if you don't agree with the views of the Parkland survivors, I think you should show them the respect anyone who had to live through that horror has earned. And I'm glad they're doing everything they can to reduce the number of kids who will have to share that awful experience in the future. --Bob
Actually, the best way to reduce school shootings was on display in the last 2 shootings-at Skoop's school and now in Colorado. Rush the shooter!!!

If that becomes part of the culture and only 1 or 2 or whatever go down, but the the damage is limited as others pile on, that will change the calculus of the whole thing in mass shooters' minds.

We saw what heroism and honor can do in those 2 shootings.

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#15 Post by Beebs52 » Sun May 12, 2019 8:26 am

Bob78164 wrote:
Beebs52 wrote:Actually, I think it's because the students wanted to have it be about the heros/victims rather than grandstanders.
"Grandstanders"?

Shame on you. Those kids paid an awful price. They lived an experience no one would or should wish on them. They've earned the right to say pretty much anything they want on the subject of gun control. And not by any choice they ever made.

Even if you don't agree with the views of the Parkland survivors, I think you should show them the respect anyone who had to live through that horror has earned. And I'm glad they're doing everything they can to reduce the number of kids who will have to share that awful experience in the future. --Bob
I apologize. I didn't know the political candidates and groups in attendance had gone through the shooting.
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#16 Post by Bob Juch » Sun May 12, 2019 8:53 am

Spock wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:
Beebs52 wrote:Actually, I think it's because the students wanted to have it be about the heros/victims rather than grandstanders.
"Grandstanders"?

Shame on you. Those kids paid an awful price. They lived an experience no one would or should wish on them. They've earned the right to say pretty much anything they want on the subject of gun control. And not by any choice they ever made.

Even if you don't agree with the views of the Parkland survivors, I think you should show them the respect anyone who had to live through that horror has earned. And I'm glad they're doing everything they can to reduce the number of kids who will have to share that awful experience in the future. --Bob
Actually, the best way to reduce school shootings was on display in the last 2 shootings-at Skoop's school and now in Colorado. Rush the shooter!!!

If that becomes part of the culture and only 1 or 2 or whatever go down, but the the damage is limited as others pile on, that will change the calculus of the whole thing in mass shooters' minds.

We saw what heroism and honor can do in those 2 shootings.
Would you want one of your kids the be one of the ones to "go down"?
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#17 Post by silverscreenselect » Sun May 12, 2019 9:37 am

Spock wrote: Actually, the best way to reduce school shootings was on display in the last 2 shootings-at Skoop's school and now in Colorado. Rush the shooter!!!

If that becomes part of the culture and only 1 or 2 or whatever go down, but the the damage is limited as others pile on, that will change the calculus of the whole thing in mass shooters' minds.

We saw what heroism and honor can do in those 2 shootings.
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#18 Post by Spock » Sun May 12, 2019 10:57 am

silverscreenselect wrote:
Spock wrote: Actually, the best way to reduce school shootings was on display in the last 2 shootings-at Skoop's school and now in Colorado. Rush the shooter!!!

If that becomes part of the culture and only 1 or 2 or whatever go down, but the the damage is limited as others pile on, that will change the calculus of the whole thing in mass shooters' minds.

We saw what heroism and honor can do in those 2 shootings.
Spoken by someone whose combat experience consists of chasing after the elusive kudu.
Do you dispute that it is better that one goes down rather than 20? Especially, if the one is likely to go down anyway.

Remember, these shooters also have no combat experience (they are not supermen) and the distances (such as in a classroom) are very close. They would get very rattled if 6 guys rose up and charged them as seemed to be the case in the 2 recent shootings..

My tactical opinion that these shooters should be rushed is just as valid as yours that these kids should just hide and hope for the best. How much combat experience is that based on?

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#19 Post by Bob78164 » Sun May 12, 2019 11:22 am

Beebs52 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:
Beebs52 wrote:Actually, I think it's because the students wanted to have it be about the heros/victims rather than grandstanders.
"Grandstanders"?

Shame on you. Those kids paid an awful price. They lived an experience no one would or should wish on them. They've earned the right to say pretty much anything they want on the subject of gun control. And not by any choice they ever made.

Even if you don't agree with the views of the Parkland survivors, I think you should show them the respect anyone who had to live through that horror has earned. And I'm glad they're doing everything they can to reduce the number of kids who will have to share that awful experience in the future. --Bob
I apologize. I didn't know the political candidates and groups in attendance had gone through the shooting.
You were referring to local politicians attending a rally rather than joining the pile-on against the activism of the Parkland students? Then I was out of line and I apologize. --Bob
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#20 Post by jarnon » Sun May 12, 2019 11:29 am

Bob78164 wrote:
Beebs52 wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:"Grandstanders"?

Shame on you. Those kids paid an awful price. They lived an experience no one would or should wish on them. They've earned the right to say pretty much anything they want on the subject of gun control. And not by any choice they ever made.

Even if you don't agree with the views of the Parkland survivors, I think you should show them the respect anyone who had to live through that horror has earned. And I'm glad they're doing everything they can to reduce the number of kids who will have to share that awful experience in the future. --Bob
I apologize. I didn't know the political candidates and groups in attendance had gone through the shooting.
You were referring to local politicians attending a rally rather than joining the pile-on against the activism of the Parkland students? Then I was out of line and I apologize. --Bob
The actual Parkland students, for the most part, have been considerate to other young victims of violence, from a Houston school to Chicago streets, and haven't tried to impose their political views on them. I expect the same attitude from them towards the Colorado and UNCC survivors. Adult activists should learn from them.

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#21 Post by Beebs52 » Sun May 12, 2019 11:39 am

jarnon wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:
Beebs52 wrote:
I apologize. I didn't know the political candidates and groups in attendance had gone through the shooting.
You were referring to local politicians attending a rally rather than joining the pile-on against the activism of the Parkland students? Then I was out of line and I apologize. --Bob
The actual Parkland students, for the most part, have been considerate to other young victims of violence, from a Houston school to Chicago streets, and haven't tried to impose their political views on them. I expect the same attitude from them towards the Colorado and UNCC survivors. Adult activists should learn from them.
Thank you. That is what I meant.
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#22 Post by silverscreenselect » Sun May 12, 2019 5:08 pm

Spock wrote: My tactical opinion that these shooters should be rushed is just as valid as yours that these kids should just hide and hope for the best.
Well, not surprisingly there are a fair amount of experts who disagree with General Spock.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/st ... e-n1003951

The point is that there are a large number of possible situations and that trying to persuade students that their best option is always to rush the shooter can just as often lead to a worse situation than a better one. A lot depends on the mindset of the shooters, how well armed they are, how much firearms training and preparation they've had, and other factors. That's not to mention the possiblity of a student mistakenly charging a would-be rescuer like a security guard or off-duty cop.

Rushing the shooter could lead to a relatively quick and bloodless end to a crisis, but it could also transform what could have been a survivable situation into a bloodbath.

One thing I would point out is that these situations almost always end up with the shooters dead or captured. That hasn't changed the calculus of their thinking so far.
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#23 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Sun May 12, 2019 6:29 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote: Not getting the coverage they gave David Hogg and that group of school shooting survivors. I wonder why?
I counted articles in the Washington Post, Denver Post, USA Today, Time, Rolling Stone, ABC News, and Slate, and that's just on the first two pages of my google search for "Colorado school shooting protest."

So, again one of your liberal bias press narratives goes up in flames.
There is NO doubt that every one of the media outlets you mentioned IS biased towards the left. You don't see it because you don't want to.
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#24 Post by silverscreenselect » Sun May 12, 2019 6:51 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote: There is NO doubt that every one of the media outlets you mentioned IS biased towards the left. You don't see it because you don't want to.
Whether there is liberal bias is beside the point. You claimed they didn't give coverage to this story because of their liberal bias. It took about five seconds of effort on my part to prove you wrong, as usual, and as usual when you are proved wrong, you just launch into another irrelevant attack on me. You forgot to use the words "polly" and "batphone" this time, I guess because you were in too much of a hurry to come up with your usual non-witty witticisms.
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#25 Post by BackInTex » Sun May 12, 2019 8:08 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
flockofseagulls104 wrote: There is NO doubt that every one of the media outlets you mentioned IS biased towards the left. You don't see it because you don't want to.
Whether there is liberal bias is beside the point. You claimed they didn't give coverage to this story because of their liberal bias. It took about five seconds of effort on my part to prove you wrong, as usual, and as usual when you are proved wrong, you just launch into another irrelevant attack on me. You forgot to use the words "polly" and "batphone" this time, I guess because you were in too much of a hurry to come up with your usual non-witty witticisms.
Yes, there may be A printed article in each of those publications you mention. But what we didn't get were the hours of televised coverage, recoverage, analysis, and finger pointing at legal gun owners who never shot anyone.
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