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Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:39 pm
by Bob78164
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:23 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:45 pm
Donny has blocked Iran's foreign minister from entering the country to address the U.N. General Assembly. This is a violation of U.S. law (passed in 1947), which requires the United States to allow entry to foreign diplomats in order to conduct business with the United Nations. --Bob
https://www.lawfareblog.com/aboutalebi- ... precedents
Thanks. So if we have a valid security reason for denying entry to Iran's foreign minister (diplomatic embarrassment doesn't count), the denial may be defensible, and it would ultimately be subject to arbitration.
What's the security reason for denying entry to Iran's foreign minister? --Bob
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:14 pm
by Beebs52
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:39 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:23 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:45 pm
Donny has blocked Iran's foreign minister from entering the country to address the U.N. General Assembly. This is a violation of U.S. law (passed in 1947), which requires the United States to allow entry to foreign diplomats in order to conduct business with the United Nations. --Bob
https://www.lawfareblog.com/aboutalebi- ... precedents
Thanks. So if we have a valid security reason for denying entry to Iran's foreign minister (diplomatic embarrassment doesn't count), the denial may be defensible, and it would ultimately be subject to arbitration.
What's the security reason for denying entry to Iran's foreign minister? --Bob
You're kidding, right?
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:31 pm
by Bob78164
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:14 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:39 pm
Thanks. So if we have a valid security reason for denying entry to Iran's foreign minister (diplomatic embarrassment doesn't count), the denial may be defensible, and it would ultimately be subject to arbitration.
What's the security reason for denying entry to Iran's foreign minister? --Bob
You're kidding, right?
Not even a little bit. Other than saying things to the U.N. that we don't like (which doesn't count), how do you think his presence could hurt our security? --Bob
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:49 pm
by Beebs52
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:31 pm
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:14 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:39 pm
Thanks. So if we have a valid security reason for denying entry to Iran's foreign minister (diplomatic embarrassment doesn't count), the denial may be defensible, and it would ultimately be subject to arbitration.
What's the security reason for denying entry to Iran's foreign minister? --Bob
You're kidding, right?
Not even a little bit. Other than saying things to the U.N. that we don't like (which doesn't count), how do you think his presence could hurt our security? --Bob
Doesn't even rate a bless yer heart.
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:00 pm
by silverscreenselect
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:39 pm
What's the security reason for denying entry to Iran's foreign minister? --Bob
From Foreign Policy:
But even before the current crisis, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in recent months had sought to restrict the ability of [Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad] Zarif—a skilled debater who has studied in the United States and has extensive contacts with American journalists—to make his case to the American public during previous visits to the United States.
In July, the United States restricted his movement to a few blocks in Manhattan and Queens, preventing Zarif from making his regular visits to TV studios, universities, and think tanks. Pompeo defended the decision, noting that American diplomats lack freedom to travel in Iran. The United States broke off diplomatic relations with Iran after the revolution. Iran is permitted to maintain a diplomatic outpost in midtown Manhattan to conduct U.N. business.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/06/tr ... y-council/
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:23 pm
by Estonut
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:23 pm
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:45 pm
Donny has blocked Iran's foreign minister from entering the country to address the U.N. General Assembly. This is a violation of U.S. law (passed in 1947), which requires the United States to allow entry to foreign diplomats in order to conduct business with the United Nations. --Bob
https://www.lawfareblog.com/aboutalebi- ... precedents
I am SHOCKED that Bob didn't run across while doing his own, exhaustive research prior to posting his opinion...
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:02 am
by flockofseagulls104
James Clapper, former Director of National Intelligence.
Aside from his ridiculous statement that Soliemani should be held blameless because HE didn't ACTUALLY plant IED's himself, he doesn't even know the difference between eminent and imminent. Using his logic, Trump is not to blame for offing Soleimani, it was the damn drone pilot.
He was Director of National INTELLIGENCE! And you leftists call trump stupid?
https://grabien.com/story.php?id=267275
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:42 am
by silverscreenselect
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:02 am
James Clapper, former Director of National Intelligence.
Aside from his ridiculous statement that Soliemani should be held blameless because HE didn't ACTUALLY plant IED's himself, he doesn't even know the difference between eminent and imminent. Using his logic, Trump is not to blame for offing Soleimani, it was the damn drone pilot.
He was Director of National INTELLIGENCE! And you leftists call trump stupid?
https://grabien.com/story.php?id=267275
Clapper didn't say that Soleimani should be held blameless. He only questioned whether killing Soleimani thwarted an imminent attack. And that's hard to demonstrate. If there was an attack planned, the way to stop it is to kill the attackers or otherwise cripple their means of carrying out the attack. If we somehow learned about 9/11 the day before, the way to stop it wouldn't have been to kill Osama bin Laden but to kill or arrest the hijackers. Similarly, in a more traditional military context, if the Germans managed to kill Dwight Eisenhower the day before D-Day, that wouldn't have stopped the invasion.
And based on your bringing it up, I'd say you don't know the difference between eminent and imminent.
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:20 pm
by jarnon
David Frum wrote:If a threat is imminent, killing the guy at the very top of the chain of command won't stop it.
If killing the guy at the top of the chain of command will stop it, the threat is not imminent.
Killing bin Laden on 9/10 would not have prevented 9/11.
Frum makes this point more clearly than either Clapper or Bob. And Frum's political worldview is a lot like Flock's.
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:31 pm
by Bob78164
jarnon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:20 pm
David Frum wrote:If a threat is imminent, killing the guy at the very top of the chain of command won't stop it.
If killing the guy at the top of the chain of command will stop it, the threat is not imminent.
Killing bin Laden on 9/10 would not have prevented 9/11.
Frum makes this point more clearly than either Clapper or Bob. And Frum's political worldview is a lot like Flock's.
To put it another way, killing the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff the day before the drone strike wouldn't have stopped the drone strike. --Bob
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:42 pm
by jarnon
Bob78164 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:31 pm
jarnon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:20 pm
David Frum wrote:If a threat is imminent, killing the guy at the very top of the chain of command won't stop it.
If killing the guy at the top of the chain of command will stop it, the threat is not imminent.
Killing bin Laden on 9/10 would not have prevented 9/11.
Frum makes this point more clearly than either Clapper or Bob. And Frum's political worldview is a lot like Flock's.
To put it another way, killing the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff the day before the drone strike wouldn't have stopped the drone strike. --Bob
Sorry I should have said Frum makes this point more clearly than either Clapper or SSS. As for Bob, no need to mention murdering a Princeton man.
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:56 pm
by Bob Juch
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:02 am
James Clapper, former Director of National Intelligence.
Aside from his ridiculous statement that Soliemani should be held blameless because HE didn't ACTUALLY plant IED's himself, he doesn't even know the difference between eminent and imminent. Using his logic, Trump is not to blame for offing Soleimani, it was the damn drone pilot.
He was Director of National INTELLIGENCE! And you leftists call trump stupid?
https://grabien.com/story.php?id=267275
Drones don't kill terrorists, missiles kill terrorists.
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:57 pm
by flockofseagulls104
I just really can't believe you people. The man has been killing people, many of them American, for years. He directs many proxy terrorist organizations all over the world. He just directed an organized attack on our embassy in Iraq, which is an attack on our sovereign territory. And yet you hate trump more.
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:39 pm
by Bob Juch
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:57 pm
I just really can't believe you people. The man has been killing people, many of them American, for years. He directs many proxy terrorist organizations all over the world. He just directed an organized attack on our embassy in Iraq, which is an attack on our sovereign territory. And yet you hate trump more.
Payback is going to be a bitch, that's why.
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:57 pm
by silverscreenselect
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:39 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:57 pm
I just really can't believe you people. The man has been killing people, many of them American, for years. He directs many proxy terrorist organizations all over the world. He just directed an organized attack on our embassy in Iraq, which is an attack on our sovereign territory. And yet you hate trump more.
Payback is going to be a bitch, that's why.
Actually, the Iranians chose a very measured response to the killing (assuming they don't do anything else). This attack appears to have been designed to minimize the risk of casualties. The Iranians blew up some stuff on an airbase and are leaving it to Trump to see what he'll do.
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:15 pm
by flockofseagulls104
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:57 pm
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:39 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:57 pm
I just really can't believe you people. The man has been killing people, many of them American, for years. He directs many proxy terrorist organizations all over the world. He just directed an organized attack on our embassy in Iraq, which is an attack on our sovereign territory. And yet you hate trump more.
Payback is going to be a bitch, that's why.
Actually, the Iranians chose a very measured response to the killing (assuming they don't do anything else). This attack appears to have been designed to minimize the risk of casualties. The Iranians blew up some stuff on an airbase and are leaving it to Trump to see what he'll do.
For once I can agree with something you post. I am cautiously optimistic. Apparently their weaponry is supposed to be much better than that and they purposely missed human targets. Reagan believed in peace through strength and accomplished a lot without sending us to war. I know you hate trump, but no, he does not want a war. It all depends on if Iran decides it does.
I would hope tomorrow he reminds Iran that we are much more powerful than they are and not to escalate. And then invites them to talk.
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:44 am
by Bob Juch
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:15 pm
silverscreenselect wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:57 pm
Bob Juch wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:39 pm
Payback is going to be a bitch, that's why.
Actually, the Iranians chose a very measured response to the killing (assuming they don't do anything else). This attack appears to have been designed to minimize the risk of casualties. The Iranians blew up some stuff on an airbase and are leaving it to Trump to see what he'll do.
For once I can agree with something you post. I am cautiously optimistic. Apparently their weaponry is supposed to be much better than that and they purposely missed human targets. Reagan believed in peace through strength and accomplished a lot without sending us to war. I know you hate trump, but no, he does not want a war. It all depends on if Iran decides it does.
I would hope tomorrow he reminds Iran that we are much more powerful than they are and not to escalate. And then invites them to talk.
It remains to be seen if the rockets or missiles had any sort of guidance system. They may have been as dumb as V-2s.
That attack may be the last official Iranian response, but remember there are Iranian-backed militias in Iraq and Syria that may have their own responses.
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:56 pm
by jarnon
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:22 pm
by flockofseagulls104
Neither Trump, nor ANY conservative, will ever get the Nobel peace prize. It is only for liberals.
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:28 pm
by Beebs52
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:22 pm
Neither Trump, nor ANY conservative, will ever get the Nobel peace prize. It is only for liberals.
Actually that's pretty funny, let alone mostly true.
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:41 pm
by flockofseagulls104
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:28 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:22 pm
Neither Trump, nor ANY conservative, will ever get the Nobel peace prize. It is only for liberals.
Actually that's pretty funny, let alone mostly true.
Just like Trix are for kids.
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:00 pm
by jarnon
flockofseagulls104 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:22 pm
Neither Trump, nor ANY conservative, will ever get the Nobel peace prize. It is only for liberals.
I checked the list, and the last U.S. conservative was Kissinger nearly 50 years ago. Since then three conservatives from other countries got the prize. All four shared the prize with somebody more liberal.
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:57 pm
by a1mamacat
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:30 pm
by Beebs52
a1mamacat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:57 pm
such a little Bitch Boy!
I agree he should stop tweeting stupid shit.
But Canada, such a little bitch country?
Love ya, but who do you rely on for whatever?
I don't think you're a little bitch country, but grow the fuck up.
Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread
Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:53 pm
by Beebs52
Beebs52 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:30 pm
a1mamacat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:57 pm
such a little Bitch Boy!
I agree he should stop tweeting stupid shit.
But Canada, such a little bitch country?
Love ya, but who do you rely on for whatever?
I don't think you're a little bitch country, but grow the fuck up.
Trudeau on the other hand...