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Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread

#1001 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:42 pm

Bob78164 wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:20 pm
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Then how is it that Democrats picked up a net of 40 seats in the House in the last election?
You and Bob## keep bringing that up as if it's meaningful. From what I've read, that happens most of the time. It would have been more of a surprise if they had not.
Then you've been reading the wrong things. Some swing would have been consistent with history, though in light of the continuation of the Obama recovery, one would expect the swing to be muted. A swing of 40 seats means that large sections of the country are recoiling from the Republican Party. --Bob
The obama recovery?
You forget about his magic wand comment? So he wants to take credit for an economy he declared dead and made a joke about? No, bobby. He didn't build that.

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#1002 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:21 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:42 pm

The obama recovery?
You forget about his magic wand comment? So he wants to take credit for an economy he declared dead and made a joke about? No, bobby. He didn't build that.

https://www-forbes-com.cdn.ampproject.o ... last-26%2F
Interesting selection of dates there Flock:
But although it is true that America's economy has, on the whole, performed admirably well under Trump, with unemployment numbers hovering near historic lows, one of the notable dark spots over the last year has been manufacturing jobs—particularly those in the upper midwest. Last week, the Federal Reserve reported that U.S. manufacturing was in a recession for all of 2019. This wasn't slow growth; the sector actually became smaller. The slowdown was relatively mild, with factory production shrinking by about 1.3 percent. But it was the worst performance since 2015, the year that Trump started his presidential campaign. Under Trump, the manufacturing economy has returned to the Obama era.

Manufacturers have a clear culprit in mind for the sector's poor performance. As The Washington Post notes in a report on the Federal Reserve data, the uncertainty and increased costs surrounding Trump's trade war, which was billed as a way of supporting American factory jobs, has instead wreaked havoc on an export-heavy sector that relies on the global flow of goods to operate. Trump's interventions were intended to prop up U.S. manufacturing. But they backfired, harming the people he claimed to help—who also happen to be some of the people who played a crucial part in his election.

And while manufacturers did add jobs during the first two years of Trump's presidency, the largest share of those jobs weren't in the nation's old industrial heartland, but in the sunbelt and the West. In states like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, manufacturing employment has fallen. As Reuters reported last year, there were signs of serious manufacturing sector weakness in five of the six states that flipped from twice supporting President Obama to backing President Trump in 2016.
So, Trump inherited a growing economy under Obama, which, for the most part, has continued. The one area of policy he actively changed was his tariffs, and look what happened.

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#1003 Post by earendel » Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:45 am

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And keep going with that "Bernie's a Communist" line. That worked in 1972, not 2020. Most people in this country by now either weren't around for the Cold War or don't care. And those who do care, like you, were never going to vote for any Democrat under any circumstances.
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#1004 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:28 am

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A Washington Post poll taken last summer found that, given a choice between Donald Trump and a "socialist" Democratic candidate, 50% of independent voters went for Trump; overall, Trump would win over such a candidate 49% to 43%.
Bernie Sanders isn't my first choice, …. but there is a big disconnect between what Americans think about "socialists" and what they think about Bernie Sanders. And Trump wouldn't be running against a "socialist"; he'd be running against Bernie Sanders, and the general public likes Bernie Sanders a lot more than they like Trump.

This recent Reuters poll (Feb7-10) shows the following favorable unfavorable, overall and among independents

Trump 46-54 (of that 54, 43 were very unfavorable) Independents: 33-67 (of that 67, 42 were very unfavorable)
Biden 50-49, Independents: 57-43
Warren 47-53, Independents: 40-59
Sanders 53-46 Independents: 62-38

Further, Sanders is almost as well known as Trump. 87% said they were very familiar or somewhat familiar with him, including 88% of independents. So, people, including independents, know and like Bernie. Also, Trump and his supporters' tendency to run off at the mouth about everyone they oppose has reduced their credibility tremendously among the non-Kool Aid drinkers.

The final result was that Sanders would beat Trump 45-41, including 46-28 among independents. He did as well or better than the other Democrats polled in a one-on-one against Trump.

https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/m ... 202020.pdf

It won't be easy to beat Trump considering the crap that's going to be flying out for the next six months. But Sanders has something Obama had, Hillary didn't, and none of the other Democrats have demonstrated so far, and that's an organizing ground game. That's how he won Nevada going away. I do think Bernie will have to learn to deflect questions like the Castro question, and I think his choice of a Vice President will be very important (not to put this too delicately, but it's highly likely Bernie would be, at best, a one term president). But it's definitely doable, and none of the other Democrats have shown much strength this year. Joe Biden still has never won a single primary or caucus. People like Elizabeth Warren's toughness and favor her policies over Bernie's, but she still can't get any traction and keeps finishing fourth or fifth.
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#1005 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:40 am

Here's one from Flock and Spock's favorite source of information, Mark Steyn (guest hosting Rush Limbaugh's show):
Mark Steyn wrote: Why is San Francisco the first [major city to shelter in place]? Because they’ve got all the gay guys there. It's a big gay town, San Francisco, and they're the ones with all the compromised immune systems from all the protease inhibitors and all the other stuff. And they don't want all the gays dropping dead on the San Francisco mayor's watch. So that's why they've got all that sheltering in place there.

And even if it dropped, they all dropped dead on the San Francisco mayor's watch, if there was a big gay apocalypse, you know, the way this thing is going now, it would be Trump who would get blamed for it anyway. He'd be -- it would be his homophobia that would have struck down all these people in San Francisco.
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Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread

#1006 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:41 am

silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:28 am
It won't be easy to beat Trump considering the crap that's going to be flying out for the next six months. But Sanders has something Obama had, Hillary didn't, and none of the other Democrats have demonstrated so far, and that's an organizing ground game. That's how he won Nevada going away. I do think Bernie will have to learn to deflect questions like the Castro question, and I think his choice of a Vice President will be very important (not to put this too delicately, but it's highly likely Bernie would be, at best, a one term president). But it's definitely doable, and none of the other Democrats have shown much strength this year. Joe Biden still has never won a single primary or caucus. People like Elizabeth Warren's toughness and favor her policies over Bernie's, but she still can't get any traction and keeps finishing fourth or fifth.
I just saw this comment when I posted about Mark Steyn. I admit this one hasn't aged very well.
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Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread

#1007 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:15 am

silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:40 am
Here's one from Flock and Spock's favorite source of information, Mark Steyn (guest hosting Rush Limbaugh's show):
Mark Steyn wrote: Why is San Francisco the first [major city to shelter in place]? Because they’ve got all the gay guys there. It's a big gay town, San Francisco, and they're the ones with all the compromised immune systems from all the protease inhibitors and all the other stuff. And they don't want all the gays dropping dead on the San Francisco mayor's watch. So that's why they've got all that sheltering in place there.

And even if it dropped, they all dropped dead on the San Francisco mayor's watch, if there was a big gay apocalypse, you know, the way this thing is going now, it would be Trump who would get blamed for it anyway. He'd be -- it would be his homophobia that would have struck down all these people in San Francisco.
Tell, me, what batphone source did this 'quote' come from? I'll bet it's a Media Matters special. They have a legion of 20 something overweight guys who live in their parent's basement that listen for anything from republican or conservative media that can be used to induce outrage in people like you. It works great.
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#1008 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:51 am

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:15 am
Tell, me, what batphone source did this 'quote' come from? I'll bet it's a Media Matters special. They have a legion of 20 something overweight guys who live in their parent's basement that listen for anything from republican or conservative media that can be used to induce outrage in people like you. It works great.
So you're saying that if someone who doesn't like Steyn, Limbaugh, or Trump posts something outrageous that one of them says that it's somehow "batphony." I did hear it from a liberal source, but it included the actual audio clip, sourced to Media Matters. See link below for the Media Matters audio. I notice you didn't have any problem with spreading around those Project Veritas recordings from a couple of Bernie Bros, which are far more likely to have been doctored or suggestively edited than what Mark Steyn said. I'm sure Limbaugh will post the transcript on his website in the next day or two.

It's really not hard to find outrageous things that right wingers like Trump, Limbaugh, and Steyn say. The only thing that's tough is winnowing them down to a manageable number.

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Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread

#1009 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:49 am

silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:51 am
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:15 am
Tell, me, what batphone source did this 'quote' come from? I'll bet it's a Media Matters special. They have a legion of 20 something overweight guys who live in their parent's basement that listen for anything from republican or conservative media that can be used to induce outrage in people like you. It works great.
So you're saying that if someone who doesn't like Steyn, Limbaugh, or Trump posts something outrageous that one of them says that it's somehow "batphony." I did hear it from a liberal source, but it included the actual audio clip, sourced to Media Matters. See link below for the Media Matters audio. I notice you didn't have any problem with spreading around those Project Veritas recordings from a couple of Bernie Bros, which are far more likely to have been doctored or suggestively edited than what Mark Steyn said. I'm sure Limbaugh will post the transcript on his website in the next day or two.

It's really not hard to find outrageous things that right wingers like Trump, Limbaugh, and Steyn say. The only thing that's tough is winnowing them down to a manageable number.

https://www.mediamatters.org/rush-limba ... se-its-big
Just wondering: Is this any more or less outrageous than thef way so called serious news reporters and liberal pundits have characterized and stereotyped trump and his supporters on a daily basis for 3 years? I know you don't think so, and taken face value, I don't think Steyn's comments, as quoted here, are something I would consider at all acceptible. But Mark Steyn is a satirist. I would be willing to bet that this was a small part of a simile he was making to something he considered outrageous on the left. Why? Because most of his satirical remarks make a lot of sense and are funny and/or ironic. This quote makes no sense in it's presented context and isn't the least bit amusing by itself. I could be wrong, but I bet I'm right.
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#1010 Post by silverscreenselect » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:55 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:49 am
But Mark Steyn is a satirist. I would be willing to bet that this was a small part of a simile he was making to something he considered outrageous on the left. Why? Because most of his satirical remarks make a lot of sense and are funny and/or ironic. This quote makes no sense in it's presented context and isn't the least bit amusing by itself. I could be wrong, but I bet I'm right.
You realize that most people who listen to Limbaugh or Steyn have no idea what satire is.
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Re: Official Donny, Drumpf, Trump Thread

#1011 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:19 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:55 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:49 am
But Mark Steyn is a satirist. I would be willing to bet that this was a small part of a simile he was making to something he considered outrageous on the left. Why? Because most of his satirical remarks make a lot of sense and are funny and/or ironic. This quote makes no sense in it's presented context and isn't the least bit amusing by itself. I could be wrong, but I bet I'm right.
You realize that most people who listen to Limbaugh or Steyn have no idea what satire is.
Yeah, right. Go blow your nose.
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#1012 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:54 pm

Esquire wrote:Presented without comment: the eight senators who voted against the coronavirus relief package on Wednesday.

Marsha Blackburn (R-TN); Jim Inhofe (R-OK); James Lankford (R-OK); Mike Lee (R-UT); Rand Paul (R-KY); Ben Sasse (R-NE); Tim Scott (R-SC), and Ron Johnson (R-WI).
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#1013 Post by Bob Juch » Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:54 pm

Esquire wrote:Presented without comment: the eight senators who voted against the coronavirus relief package on Wednesday.

Marsha Blackburn (R-TN); Jim Inhofe (R-OK); James Lankford (R-OK); Mike Lee (R-UT); Rand Paul (R-KY); Ben Sasse (R-NE); Tim Scott (R-SC), and Ron Johnson (R-WI).
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#1014 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:22 am

Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) wrote:[G]etting coronavirus is not a death sentence except for maybe no more than 3.4 percent of our population
Glad you're keeping this in perspective Ron. And the black plague wasn't a death sentence except for maybe no more than 25 percent of the world's population at the time.
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#1015 Post by jarnon » Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:51 am

silverscreenselect wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:22 am
Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) wrote:[G]etting coronavirus is not a death sentence except for maybe no more than 3.4 percent of our population
Glad you're keeping this in perspective Ron. And the black plague wasn't a death sentence except for maybe no more than 25 percent of the world's population at the time.
Ron could also point out that all those folks are going to die sooner or later anyway.

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#1016 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:55 am

Donald Trump 3/19/20 wrote:We were very prepared [for coronavirus testing]. The only thing we weren't prepared for was the media. The media has not treated it fairly.
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#1017 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:37 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
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Donald Trump 3/19/20 wrote:We were very prepared [for coronavirus testing]. The only thing we weren't prepared for was the media. The media has not treated it fairly.
Very true. The media clings to it's narrative even in a crisis. Most of them, like the ass clowns on this bored, are more interested in finding things to blame on trump than being helpful and relevant.
"Don't you think 'china flu' is racist, mr president?". A very helpful, relevant question. Did they ask that about ebola?
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#1018 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:53 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:37 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:55 am
Donald Trump 3/19/20 wrote:We were very prepared [for coronavirus testing]. The only thing we weren't prepared for was the media. The media has not treated it fairly.
Very true. The media clings to it's narrative even in a crisis.
And as usual, Flock and Trump are wrong. That happens when your sources of medical information are Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.
Reuters wrote:South Korea’s swift action stands in stark contrast to what has transpired in the United States. Seven weeks after the train station meeting, the Koreans have tested well over 290,000 people and identified over 8,000 infections. New cases are falling off: Ninety-three were reported Wednesday, down from a daily peak of 909 two weeks earlier.

The United States, whose first case was detected the same day as South Korea’s, is not even close to meeting demand for testing. About 60,000 tests have been run by public and private labs in a country of 330 million, federal officials said Tuesday.

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The difference was that South Korea was interested in the health of its citizens and Donald Trump was interested in the health of his re-election chances and the stock market. And it's interesting that the President who is so intent on dismantling all sorts of Federal regulations and has used executive orders to beef up border walls since the first week of his term now claims he was totally helpless to speed up testing due to various regulations.
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#1019 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:12 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:53 pm
flockofseagulls104 wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:37 pm
silverscreenselect wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:55 am
Very true. The media clings to it's narrative even in a crisis.
And as usual, Flock and Trump are wrong. That happens when your sources of medical information are Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.
Reuters wrote:South Korea’s swift action stands in stark contrast to what has transpired in the United States. Seven weeks after the train station meeting, the Koreans have tested well over 290,000 people and identified over 8,000 infections. New cases are falling off: Ninety-three were reported Wednesday, down from a daily peak of 909 two weeks earlier.

The United States, whose first case was detected the same day as South Korea’s, is not even close to meeting demand for testing. About 60,000 tests have been run by public and private labs in a country of 330 million, federal officials said Tuesday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2153BW

The difference was that South Korea was interested in the health of its citizens and Donald Trump was interested in the health of his re-election chances and the stock market. And it's interesting that the President who is so intent on dismantling all sorts of Federal regulations and has used executive orders to beef up border walls since the first week of his term now claims he was totally helpless to speed up testing due to various regulations.
Thank you for proving my point.
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#1020 Post by silverscreenselect » Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:46 pm

flockofseagulls104 wrote:
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Thank you for proving my point.
I'm not sure what your point is, if you ever had one.
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